just take a knee and quietly walk off the field.

Belcher can f himself. Murderer. His.g/f can rest in peace.

The very first thing I thought of when I heard this news this morning was "MY GOOD HOLY GOD......THE ****ING REVENUE@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"

Very sad.

I remember when Seau did himself. I was pissed based on the fact that teenage suicide rates are skyrocketing and Seau, as a hero to thousands, wasn't doing anybody any favors by taking the selfish way out.

I suppose the silver lining in this case is that Belcher was fairly unknown. My heart goes out to his girlfriend and all the other people affected by these stupid, selfish, actions.

Meanwhile, my crazy brain wanders and I begin to wonder about whether or not the Chiefs have a decent player-support program in place. My hatred of Pioli is so extreme, I can't help thinking that they have probably cut back on those kinds of initiatives as a cost-saving measure.

What a freaking mess. My condolences to all Chiefs fans for having to deal with this.

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Goodell is going to try to show up David Stern's stupidity, it looks like.

Although if the players want to play, go for it. It should probably be up to them. I don't think the game should be postponed permanently... but they've moved games around for hurricanes before. I get the amount of money involved. They could move it to Monday night, or even Monday afternoon if they want. The game is going to be like a funeral anyway. The fact that this happened at the team facility and in front of the people who are involved in this game makes it a different beast.

seriously. lets just move on. this is a rapid fire thread and constantly being posted on. my incorrect ideas are no longer relevant. here, have some rep.

Condolences to both kassandra and Jovans families. I feel for that baby. Such a beautiful childs life changed and she'll never know why.

I know man, priorites.

Seriously though. I don't see how anyone could possibly justify not postponing or cancelling the game tomorrow.

Jesus. This was the 2nd murder-suicide within the organization in the last 3 months. I never heard about this one.

http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...r-suicide.html


http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...uicide/1249665

More details from SI.com about the possibility of cancelling tomorrow's game:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t11_a0

Chiefs player involved in apparent murder-suicide at team facility

Tragedy struck in the NFL early Saturday morning with the news that a Kansas City Chiefs player committed suicide at the team's Arrowhead Stadium practice facility, after shooting and killing his girlfriend at home a short time earlier, SI.com has learned.

The player who shot himself is fourth-year linebacker Jovan Belcher, 25, Kansas City police have confirmed. There are no other known injuries at the Chiefs facility.

The Chiefs released a statement saying: "We can confirm that there was an incident at Arrowhead earlier this morning. We are cooperating with authorities in their investigation.''

According to police, Belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, 22, at home around 8 a.m. CT, with the woman's mother present and a witness to the murder. Belcher then drove to the team facility, where he later shot and killed himself in the parking lot of the team complex, in front of GM Scott Pioli and coach Romeo Crennel, as well as other team personnel. A KCPD spokesman said Pioli and Crennel tried to talk to Belcher, who thanked the men before taking his life. Belcher and his girlfriend had a three-month-old child.

The Chiefs (1-10) are scheduled to play at Arrowhead Stadium Sunday at noon CT, against the Carolina Panthers (3-8). One league source in the NFL office said officials were still trying to decide Saturday morning whether the game will be played on Sunday as scheduled. He said his guess was that the game would not be postponed or canceled, due to the complications of when to re-schedule the game in the remaining weeks of the season, or how a cancellation might affect the other 30 teams in the league in terms of competitive fairness.

"There is a ripple effect,'' the source said. "It's not simply two teams affected here. I'm not sure in recent history we've ever just canceled a game. But what's under consideration are all the factors involved if they don't play, when do they play? It's a pretty tight schedule to try and make a game up at some later point. These things have to be thought through. Nobody wants to play a football game right now if you're a Kansas City Chief, but what does that do to the other 30 teams? It gets a little complicated from a schedule standpoint and a competitive standpoint.

The league source said the NFL did not feel it was mandatory to make a decison in regards to the game before Carolina boarded its mid-day flight to Kansas City. "If the Panthers have to fly back from Kansas City without having played the game, it's not that big of an issue to deal with,'' the source said. "We'd rather take the time to think through all the ramifications.''

Kansas City mayor Sly James said that he's spoken with the Chiefs, who believe the game Sunday should be played.

Belcher was a fourth-year reserve linebacker who went undrafted out of the University of Maine in 2009. He signed with Kansas City as a collegiate free agent after the draft. As details of the shootings continue to come in, a Chiefs team source said Kansas City officials are still in the early stages of dealing with the tragedy.

RIP to the Girlfriend and the poor child that will never know it's parents.

yep totally agree

See post 210.


You've been shitting on this tradegy all day, why should I feel sorry for you?

Bar none. Plus, I think as of today this is going to be the lowest point in Chiefs franchise history when we look back.

1 win season
1st overall pick
0 wins at Arrowhead
Active player commits suicide in team Parking lot in front of HC and GM.

All firsts. Clark must clean house and start ALL over. :(

Your first 2 sentences are contradictory. If the NFL cancelled or postponed the game right away, the players don't even get a say in it. They have to proceed as if they will play, and give the players a chance to figure out what they want to do.

could the chiefs just tell goodell to go fuck himself on this whole playing tomorrow? i mean obviously the team would be incredibly fined, but not as much as the lost revenue of just delaying it a day.

To me it just doesn't matter much. If they postpone it, I totally get it. If they play, I totally get that too. I don't feel very strongly either way on this one.

Such a cute baby

This is so sad. Not a huge fan of Belcher, but he was a member of the family I love, that being the Chiefs.

When ESPN finally released his name, I literally started crying. I feel horrible for the families of the victims, especially the child left behind.

Not sure how I feel about Belcher. I feel sorry for the man and what was going on in his life to lead to this, yet I am outraged by his actions

What a horrible day.

:DEEVEE:

It's unbelievable how utterly morbid that "person" is.

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This is so sad. Not a huge fan of Belcher, but he was a member of the family I love, that being the Chiefs.

When ESPN finally released his name, I literally started crying. I feel horrible for the families of the victims, especially the child left behind.

Not sure how I feel about Belcher. I feel sorry for the man and what was going on in his life to lead to this, yet I am outraged by his actions

What a horrible day.

:crybaby:

ESPN ticker says that Pioli and Crennel talked him out of more acts of violence before he thanked them and shot himself.

These teams have a combined record of 4-18. I can't imagine postponing or even canceling the game would mean much to anybody in the grand scheme of things.

@foxsportsreiter: KC Star reporting the fight between Belcher and his girlfriend was over her being out late at a concert.

If Goodell doesn't reschedule the game, fans should not enter the facility until the end of the first quarter to send the message that some things in life are more important than a game.

Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer

League and Chiefs have been on phone all morning, they don't just make a quick decision

Again, not just you but many on here, you haven't thought all ancillaries through.

There are thousands of people making hourly wages tomorrow that would not be able to do so later in the week due to scheduling commitments. The Chiefs and the NFL make money whether the game is played on Sunday, Monday, or at 3 in the morning on Wednesday.

The vendors shuffling up and down the stairs, the bellhops working their asses off in the nearby hotels, the servers at many local restaurants, etc will not make money just before Christmas if the date is changed. If I am hawking Miller Lite at the stadium for an hourly wage, not getting any tips because the price is already ridiculous, and straining up and down those stairs to make a few extra pennies for Christmas for my kids, I would be upset if I couldn't do it on Monday night because I am back at my full time job then.

Why is it that businesses are painted as evil entities regardless of their decisions?

christ, what else did he have planned?

:spock: You've been defending a murderer.

I have been a KC fan for a long, long time. This is the bottom.

My prayers go out for that little innocent child.

Good write up. Thanks for the post.

This.

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Honestly the more I think about it maybe they should postpone the game anyway. The players might not even be in a mental state to make an appropriate decision. Asking someone to make a decision a few hours after one of their teammates shot himself is brutal.

Leave BRC alone. I had to face this with my wife with all the meds she was on at one point had her going down this same street. She better now and off almost of those meds and doing a lot better now. Not everyone is wired the same way to cope with what life gives them and some do not have the support of family and friends to get them thru those times that when they need support. This is a time to support the remaining family and friends to help them out thru this so this does not happen again anytime soon.

**** that. The douche offed himself and killed his girlfriend. It sucks for his teammates but **** making a statement for a murderer.

Amen, this is a time for fans, players, and employees to show unity, not silly assed dissension.

Source: Belcher murder-suicide followed argument over Trey Songz concert
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A friend of the woman killed today by Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher said the couple argued in the early morning hours after the woman was out late attending Friday’s Trey Songz concert at The Midland.

The friend, who asked not to be identified, said Belcher confronted his girlfriend when she returned home about 1 a.m.

The couple had dated about three years and argued frequently, the friend said, but she wasn’t aware of any prior physical abuse.

As news spread that Belcher had killed his girlfriend and then himself, several friends of the victim gathered outside the couple’s home in the 5400 block of Crysler Avenue in Kansas City.

Another friend, Jennifer Ashley, said the woman was a student at Blue River Community College in Independence and wanted to be a school teacher. She said the victim had started dating Belcher after being introduced to him by the girlfriend of another Chiefs player.

Belcher, originally from Long Island, N.Y., had been with the Chiefs for four years. He joined the team as an undrafted free agent out of the University of Maine.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/01...#storylink=cpy

Jesus Christ.

According to a friend of the GF, they were arguing about the GF being out late at a Trey Songz concert.

"Out late" results in 2 people dead, a baby without parents, and numerous people scarred for life.

****ed up.

It's not about condoning what he did. You can totally disagree with what the guy did and still be in a state of shock and hurt over what happened.

u know, it really is just a horrible story but this is about as blunt and true as you can get.

rip belcher. hope you are in a better place now man

It would in terms of draft position. You can't just cancel. They have to have competitive fairness and balance to the other 30 teams. It's not just about this game but how the END game plays out.

The only way to postpone would be to move it to Monday, which I don't think is a whole lot better.

the rumor reason would be .... that Belcher probably planned on going and finding/killing the guy who was the biological father of his child, that he just found about, that started all the shooting.

Maybe they could default, and give the win to the Panthers. It's not like one more loss is going to make a difference.

What if Belcher was on meds? Would you defend him like you did your wife? Why would you call him a murderer (like BRC said in post 210) before reading the facts?

E=Laz;9167462]Nobody condones his actions but if rumors are true it's not as crazy as you might think. l


following is complete rumor/conjecture/hypothesis:


1. Girlfriend decides, for whatever reason, that today is the day she tells Belcher that 'their' child is not biologically his.

2. Belcher loses it and in his anger and grief grabs a gun and shoots her

3. after his grief/rages subsides he looks down at what he's done.

He's killed the woman he loves ... he career is over ... his life(as he knows it) is over ... he's going to jail for 20+ years. Depression sets in and he decides he doesn't deserve or want to live with it.

So he decides to say his goodbyes and take his own life. The Chiefs are his only family or maybe his only family close enough to visit.

drives to Arrowhead, says 'Goodbye' and as soon as Police arrive and force the timing of the decision, he pulls trigger.


just a possibility[/QUOTE]

Certainly is a possibility but how does this not make him still a POS?

This does not fit the narrative of Goodell being a money-hungry cold robot.

Perspective would save a lot of people a lot of pain, wouldn't it? Just crazy.

Uh, it would be about the players, and oh yeah, the HC who saw one of his own players kill himself.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/01...r-suicide.html

You miss the point. The game shouldn't be rescheduled to honor Belcher. It should be rescheduled out of respect for the HC and GM who witnessed the tragic event and the players who have about 24 hours to process it all.

Given his apparent anger issues back in UMaine, and the story that the argument was over his girlfriend being out late at a concert, I think its more likely that he was just an angry, evil man.

I know the media and everyone else is desperate to piece together what happened, but the report says the confrontation took place at 1am and they argued frequently... may or may not have anything to do with what happened 7 hours later.

Probably not.

Was just kidding. I don't feel strongly either way on this matter. I know if a fellow employee at my job came up to work and shot himself, we'd still have to work the next day.

he misinterpreted the statement. it was that Pioli and Crennel attempted to talk him out of further acts of violence (i.e. suicide)

man o man, i'm speechless.

Horrible. I hope the Chiefs organization and players do some sort of fund for the girl who no longer has her mother.

Just stupid!

Lee Hacksaw Hamilton ‏@hacksaw1090

"Chiefs captain Tamba Hali asked NFL to postpone game...NFL response "Play on"..do not understand this at all."

Oh wow, I really can't believe this.

He was clearly very selfish in his last hours.

Outside of that it's hard to put yourself in another man's head...

Damn, my sarcasm meter sucks.

as i said, nobody is condoning what he did

but a spontaneous shooting of passion and the following regret is quite a bit different than other suggestions.

How many people have said that a criminal should just shoot himself and save society from having to deal with it? Well maybe Belcher did just that.

all conjecture though ... we will probably never really know.

I do...

I'm sorry guys. I really am. Wow. :(

As to whether they should play....could the Chiefs just forfeit?

If the players would prefer to have the game postponed, the NFL should acknowledge and accede to their wishes. No question.

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That part is over. It wasn't a big deal. He stated something out of direct emotion from a very unusual circumstance. Cut him a break.

Gotta keep the TV revenue flowing

If the doesn't want to play they shouldn't be forced to play. Don't walk on the field.

Yeah. I'd guess the funeral and memorial services will be later in the week? May as well play the game tomorrow, get it done with, so then they can focus on that stuff.

You don't just off and kill somebody or yourself without some sort of mental illness. And for those of you in the dark ages, depression IS very real and IS a mental illness.

Lee Hacksaw Hamilton ‏@hacksaw1090

Chiefs on conference call begging NFL to move game to Monday nite-asking Crennel coach 30-hours after player killed himself infront coach

considering the situation, you shouldn't really need a sarcasm meter.

Goodall probably has ratings numbers dancing in his head.

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If we don't walk out we forfeit.

The end.

It's not like we lose anything...

Heh, maybe I shouldn't be a joking sarcastic bastard so often in this thread.

who is Lee Hacksaw Hamilton?

all possible

we just don't know