Oh Noes! Alex Smith is Matt Cassel

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...44/matt-cassel

2012:

134 attempts when behind
2 attempts when not (0-2 on those attempts as well ROFL)

Can you believe that? Matt Cassel did not complete one pass last year when the Chiefs had a lead. Not a single pass. Yeah, Alex Smith and Matt Cassel are the same QB :rolleyes:

The Chiefs attempted a grand total of 27 passes when they had a lead last year. Brady Quinn was responsible for 25 of those passes.

mat cassel was the absolute worst football player to start in the NFL for four years that I have ever seen. it isn't even close.

I'm pretty sure that is what dick haley saw when he told todd he did not believe they could win with that guy.

Believe or not, Alex really only had 1 terrible game in the last 2 years. Some underwhelming games, perhaps.. but only 1 terrible game. (being against the 2012 NYG, and that was the game immediately following an injury to his throwing hand index finger)

I'm confused. Which team had the defense that basically gave up because the team wasn't winning? That seems pretty soft to me.

You're not cherry picking the right stats....

We're taking you. Get used to it.

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huh...so you're gonna compare Alex in 2010 to Cassell in 2012? Okay.

Alecuses.

that in itself is actually false as well. He played pretty darn crappy against the Jets, Vikings, and Seattle as well. Luckily, we found the running game in the Jets, and the second half of the seattle game. And in the seattle game, alex actually played well in the second half, the play calling switched up to more slants and crossing routes.

The Minny game, they tried to let alex win the game, and he couldn't. But, the truth is, that every aspect of our football team that day, played like shit, and our defense made Christian ponder look like Michael vick. Alex has his ups and downs just like every qb does.

Oh god, did I just tell the truth about alex smith and not just homer away about his greatness?

LMAO Mmm...I wonder who'll be getting the wish-bone this year? Houston? Hali? Or maybe just Berry straight up the middle with a deafening crack?

So many exciting possibilities!

lol. One can only hope. Could you imagine all the broken hearted donkey lovers weeping. It would be GLORIOUS.

God I hate Dungver.

They have Herm Fox. That's a bit of punishment for them.

Between Fox and Horseface, I predict a mighty crash once we formally destroy Peyton this season.

Why does anyone think this team is sniffing a win over Peyton this year?

He destroys CBs like Smith and ****a.

Cold weather game and his balls shrivel up once again?

First, we're going to send him to the bench/locker room/ICU/retirement.

Then, we're going to **** his team in the ass while he watches from a hospital bed.

I'm not talking shit about Peyton until we have a clear one ourselves.

because we like to annoy you.

How much roster turnover was there between the end of 2010 and the start of 2011.

QB (3): Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB (3): Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (2): Mike Iupati, Adam Snyder
C (2): David Baas, Eric Heitmann
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT (2): Anthony Davis, Alex Boone


Defense
DE (4): Justin Smith, Isaac Sopoaga, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald
DT (2): Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean Francois
OLB (5): Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Travis LaBoy, Diyral Briggs
ILB (3): Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman
CB (6): Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Will James, Phillip Adams, Tramaine Brock
FS (2): Dashon Goldson, Reggie Smith
SS (3): Michael Lewis, Taylor Mays, Curtis Taylor


Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings


2011

3)
Smith, Kaepernick, tolzien

RB (3)
Gore, Dixon, Hunter

FB (1/2)
Miller,

TE (3)
Davis, Walker, Justin peele

WR (5/6)
Crabtree, Edwards, Morgan, Ginn Jr, /Williams, joe hastings. brett swain

C (1)
Goodwin, Snyder, Wragge, Beeler (PS?)

G (4)
Iupati, Rachal, Snyder, Wragge, Kilgore, Person (PS?)

T (4/5)
Staley, Davis, Boone, Snyder/Wragge


DEFENSE
DE ( 4/5)
Smith, McDonald, RJF, Tukuafu
NT (1/2)
Sopoaga, RJF/Ian Williams

ILB (4)
Willis, Bowman, McKillop, Kristick//Grant/Costanzo

OLB (5/6)
Haralson/Aldon, Brooks/Gibson, Applewhite
CB (5/6)
Spencer, Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Brock
FS/SS (4/5)
Reggie Smith, Whitner, , Williams, , Spillman, Colin Jones/Maragos
SPECIAL TEAMS
P Lee
K David Akers
LS Jennings


From this view. that is 25/ 53 players were changed between 2010- 2011. that's a crap load of turnover. Wow.

Not a lot.

But the players were young and developing, as was Smith.

This details the 2010 O-Line failures that were a staple of the 49ers 2005-2011.
aolnews.com/2011/01/01/oline-em-up-falcons-sam-baker-struggles/

LT Joe Staley
Was converted to Tackle in coll. Was a TE. Injured or inconsistent up into 2011. Called himself and the OL out. Played much better since then. Still not a wall of pass protection but good enough and excels at getting those 2nd level blocks.

LG Mike Iupati
Good from the start. But teams figured this out and would stunt around him a lot. He would often hesitate and not adjust to help where there was now a mismatch.

C David Baas
OK. Was replaced by the OK Mike Goodwin.

RG Chilo Rachal
A pure mauler. Drafted high because of his physical prowess. Perfect Singeltary guy.
He SUCKS at pass blocking. Was benched in favor of the failed Tackle who was able to be an upgrade by being just mediocre. Adam Snyder. 49ers resigned him this year cause he has experience and probably a good guy cause they'd prefer he stay a backup.

RT
Anthony Davis
One of the youngest players in the draft. Was thrown into the fire to learn. His tutoring was not pretty. A lot of sacks allowed and penalties.

Good and pretty accurate stuff, ViperVisor.

added notes:

- SF had without a doubt the worst duo of C/RG in the league for 2011.
- Iuapti and Staley would have occasional and shocking pass protection whiffs.
- Anthony Davis' pass pro was dreadful in his early years, and he brought about many remembrances of the dreaded Kwame Harris. ( those who don't know Kwame Harris? well, he was easily the worst pass protector I have ever witnessed ) There was an awesome"low-lights" youtube vid that might still be around to find. Everyone hated Kwame and had pity for anyone behind center that he was asked to protect.

Now try building a nice pass offense from scratch behind these guys. You'd pretty much NEED a freak athlete like Kaepernick to manage that while shining. And even better for Kaep, the OL had time to improve until he was ready... and inserted Alex Boone at RG, who has been outstanding in his development.

And yet Alex was sacked just as much in 2012.

Two years, if even that tops.

See ya', mother****er.

True.
But of the 24, 6 of the sacks he took were when the team was up 2 or 3 scores. 3 @ GB and 3 @ AZ.

Those games were won and he ate the sacks so the clock kept running. If the pass options aren't open why bother an attempt that may be incomplete, dropped, or even an INT in that situation?

Another 30 seconds off the clock when you are winning gets you a step closer to winning.

Kaepernick sack rate was fairly high as well at 6.8% and 0 sacks when the team was up 2 or 3 scores. Cause the team rarely was.
And he was much more often in the shotgun read option stuff.

The O-Line still isn't great at pass protection, just good. They are huge guys and are best at run blocking.

And the passing offense Harbaugh and Co installed was never set up to stroke a QBs ego.
Part of that is the QB but also the lack of super studs on the pass catching side of the equation.

This will not turn out well for you.

For me, or our stupid team?

Wrong.

49ers had the 7th ranked pass blocking line last season.

Yet Alex Smith was the most sacked QB in the league (on a per attempt basis) by a country mile. Literally sacked on one third of the snaps where he was pressured.

There is no getting around this.

As he has "improved" as a QB he has taken more and more sacks because he's being coached to be sacked instead of taking a chance with the ball.

"designed sacks" was even a phrase one of your own used here this offseason in defending this awful habit he has.

He's a joke.

Like usual, just make shit up.

Like usual you are incorrect.

Andy Dalton 528 46 8.71% 33
Jay Cutler 434 38 8.76% 28.9
Chad Henne 308 28 9.09% 30.8
Aaron Rodgers 552 51 9.24% 34.5
Philip Rivers 527 49 9.30% 32.9
Brady Quinn 197 21 10.66% 19.7
Alex Smith 218 24 11.01% 21.8
Kevin Kolb 183 27 14.75% 30.5

You have been educated, sir.

http://i.imgur.com/kOK7u9W.jpg

Alex Smith loves to get sacked!

Read the whole thing, you filter the stats.

Nice try loser.

Does an Angel gets it's wings when Axl takes a sack?

I filtered by sack percentage, moron. LMAO

Alex Smith led the league in sack percentage by a country mile, as you can see on that chart.

Great thread, no joke.

Oh, this mother****er is going to blow the original Cassel thread all the way back to New England by the time all is said and done.

Tons of great back and forth for me to sip my beer by...

You really are a little troll.

You are not looking the stats right. Dude you really need to take a math class.

You said he was sacked most per attempt by a country mile.

He was not the most sacked by attempt he was second and difference between him and AR was less then 2%, not exactly a country mile.

4 percent is a pretty big difference.

Fact is, when he was pressured, he took a sack more than any other QB in the NFL.

End of discussion.

Its not 4 percent. You are making shit up again.

33.3 percent

29.4 percent

You're right, it's 3.9 percent difference.

Holy Christ, it's 3.9 percent.

No, you are wrong. You are changing stats to make your argument.

He had 218 pass attempts and was sacked 24 times that is 11.01%.

And that is not the highest.

Done.

He was sacked 33.3 percent of the time when he was pressured.

That IS the highest.

Done.

Look at that gif again; JESUS Matt Cassel throws like a girl...

Just keep on making shit up.

I'm not making that up. You can see the proof of that statistic in the chart.

Are you brain dead?

Mmm...not even Brady Quinn enjoyed having his shit pushed in as much...

INSPIRING!

LMAO ****ing stats

John Elway's stats suggest he was not a good QB.

I've never seen anyone so obsessed with numbers.

Incorrect.

Averaged 12.5 YPC for his career.

Had 33 games of 3 TD or more.

Had 36 games of 300 yards or more.

All things that Alex struggles to do.

Elway was a bauce.

Whole reason the Broncos were any good was because he threw the ball down the field.

Hello. That is where my pointing out the times he didn't mind taking a sack when pressured. When you are up 2 or 3 scores.

Sure, you'd prefer a completed pass and maybe for a 1st down.

But that usually isn't easily doable.

Look beyond the surface of your graph. Aaron Rodgers is the exception due to his special talent.
The rest is a gaggle of screw ups and young QBs who could learn a thing or 2 from how Alex Smith has done things recently.

And that 2012 info isn't great because of the small sample. Some guys on there played about half the year, some more, some all games.

footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure-short-it
footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2011/under-pressure

Some more stuff to look at from earlier in Smith's career.

LMAO

He was sacked a shit ton in 2011, too.

Get over it.

Yeah, only the good QBs do that.

Sucks to be us.

The O-Line was BAD. We went over this. Those two 1.6 second sacks are from 2011.

And the 9 sack game on Thanksgiving vs Baltimore.
Protection was a joke. The experience of Chuck Pagano and the Ravens Def Staff embarrassed the 49ers on a short week.

Same game that has the 75-yard touchdown called back because of a unneeded penalty away from the play.
It was doofus supreme Chilo Rachal.

And when the offensive line showed improvement, he was sacked even more the next year.

He's just a sack-prone QB.

Might as well get used to it.

I'll take him getting sacked 50 times and throwing 10 INT over 30 sacks and 20 INT though, so, it's not all bad.

Take that sack, Alex, and we'll punt and hope the D holds!

Gonna correct some of this. The problem with our protection. Both Bruce Miller, and Adam Snyder were out. They ran over chilo rachal all day long. And the penalty on the Ginn Td, was on Frank Gore. They called him for a chop block.....

Miserable game.

Percentage Pass Attempts Resulting in Sacks of Three or More Seconds, 2009-2010

Alex Smith 2.46%

League Average 2.61%

Yes, we all know he didn't take as many sacks earlier in his career.

He was too busy being one of the worst QBs in the league and losing games.

He was league average in QB Rating 09+10 while the coaching and OL was incompetent.

He played well when they put him in the shot gun, and let him just read and throw. Then the offseason, they drafted iupati, and davis, and singletary wanted the 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense.

Alex Smith is already missing open receivers. Even my favorite one.

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49ers fans chime in!

so essentially, last night, was like your one day to be cool, and you are back in full on douche mode tonight?

Not 3rd down and not out of FG range and not late and not losing.

Those are the times when you need to pull some rabbits out of hats.

Sure you'd prefer a 1st down to make it a goal to go on 2nd down.

But the issue the staff will actually have seeing this is the crap O-Line performance on a 5 guys to block 3 scenario.

That would have required a 10 yard pass. That is not allowed.

Nevermind the safety that was sitting on the top right corner coming back...

pretty sure Bray makes that throw... but he's a reckless man.

Ball has to come out when Dex goes into his cut and there as soon as he comes out of it,

Clay trying to bitch about a drive that we scored a TD on.

Can you imagine if someone was that critical of his boy crush Geno?

There was a potential play there, but fudge it its preseason, AS probably just didn't want to get his guy hurt.

In the real games, this shit is really going to hurt if AS misses his opportunities like this. But for now in preseason, I'll let it slide. I want to believe he has this throw though if he decides to take the shot. If he can't make this throw on the run then we have a serious problem.

Bray would have thrown it no doubt... to anyone who was open, including black and gold.

Have you ever even played football? He's in the middle of the field behind a pack by the time AS has got line of sight he's almost to the sideline, rolling to his right with 2 guys on pursuit. If he'd have thrown that ball it would have floated and probably been picked by the corner up top who was waiting for it.

Jesus man.

At least he didn't almost break his own ankle rolling out like Geno did.

If you're going to bump-whore your threads, at least try not to be a complete ****ing moron about it. Geez.

And if you're look at the 2nd gif from Alex's view he has little to no time to set his feet and make a throw. He knows he doesn't have elite arm strength to pull off a dangerous throw like that.

Also, there is a safety looming within 5 yards of DMC who can close in and get a pick.

But what's hilarious about this is that Clay is picking apart the only throw Alex Smith didn't complete the entire drive he played.

Let the Alexcuses flow...

I have a feel pants were being shat about the same time the ball needed to come out. Pass rusher and all that...

I'm like you in that I'm not a big fan of Alex Smith, but he's our Qb, for now. Nothing going to change that, barring injury. And I'd rather that not happen and go 2-14 again (if we're lucky). Just not good for morale to do that two years in a row.

With a guy in his face, he'd have to put it up a little which gives the safety on top time to make a play. He probably could have put it up near the sideline and short so that the WR is the only with a chance at the ball..but yeah, the WR gonna take a hit.


I've seen Alex make throws on the run...he's able...but I'm sure clay is going to post that gif of the int to gore in 3 2 1...