Yeah one championship I will give that too Dawson before my time. Yeah a playoff win with Montana fan****ingtastick 1994 going be 20 years. We couldn't even get a first down in the last playoff game with Trent Green in the first half against the Colts. I liked those guys just fine and dandy. They didn't last long enough not counting Dawson to win us a Championship. I'm happy for Dawson but that was 40 years ago.

The average Chiefs quarterback for the last 40 years last 2.5 years Trent Green being the longest term with 5 years. Draft a quarterback and give this franchise a 10 to 15 year window of opportunity to win some championships. These retreads don't last.

I don't care to win a lot of games with retread quarterbacks. We have won a lot of games with retread quarterbacks.

I want to win Championships.

Is that too much to ask?

That's the difference between the Geno mafia and everyone else. If you didn't like Geno you must just have no interest in winning a championship. That's the only explanation!

Yes, we are Chiefs fans. About 8% of us actually remember the last championship. The rest of us think the Superbowl is a myth, with a map of it tattooed on the back of some little girl in a really shitty movie with lots of water. It's a myth...

We do love band-aid quarterbacks though, and having an organization about 10 years behind the curve with the rest of the league in terms of football innovation.

You call me an embarrassment? Well thank God I'm not a "True Fan" that accepts mediocrity. I will keep asking the Chiefs to draft and develop a quarterback to win Championships with thank you very much. At least give an effort to draft and develop if you plan to build this through the draft then do it Clark Hunt.

So they can't win and be successful while continually looking for said guy?


Obviously the draft is the place to find your qb, it's gives you the longest window. But until you find the one you like, you can't force it to happen.

Mother**** u r dumb.

The fact that the chiefs three best qbs of all time were retreads isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the franchise or retreads.


Shit, you'd think by luck alone we'd have tripped into a drafted qb by now

None of those QBs I mention were mediocre. Two are in the HoF. The third ran the #1 offense in the NFL.

You are a butthurt idiot that is crying because you didn't get your way (even though your way was STUPID). Geno Smith was not a first round QB, and it would have been FOOLISH to take him 1.1, yet that is exactly what you STILL think we should have done. And you would rather have a "homegrown" failure than a successful "retread". As I said, embarrassment.

But, it's also pretty obvious Chiefs co. are not even trying to draft and develop a Qb, and haven't been for about 30 years. It's not about forcing anything, but actually trying it would be a start...

The draft is the best place to look, but if there isn't one there you don't have to trade away this years and next year draft picks to bring in a mediocre quarterback and give up an opportunity to take one in next years class. I think that is the dumb part Chiefs did. They force a retread and give up future prospect for a short term problem.

Two HoFers and the #1 QB in the league, and you think I'm done for saying they were good QBs? You are too stupid to talk to.

Alex Smith just completely blasted my 15-1 team in a first-round playoff game in Cdcox's Sandbox Simulations League.

In fact, virtual Alex Smith has destroyed my league-best regular season team two years in a row. Virtually speaking.

I really hate this ****er now.

Another freakin genius that would rather have a "homegrown" failure than a successful "retread".

Were you all dropped on your heads when you were babies?

What was the stat line for Alex in the game? 14/24 for 134 yards and 0 td's, 1 pick?

Where are you getting this failed homegrown stuff?

Of course that's the problem.

That's always been the problem.

But evidently folks want us to just suck sweaty dicks and sell out for the 1.1 pick every season. I just don't understand it.

WTF is the problem with being competitive while also looking for a young QB? People keep saying "well you get stuck in the middle and never get a shot at said QB!" and that's just not true. They point to the 90's Chiefs as though the Chiefs ever made a play for a young QB at all.

The problem wasn't that they never had a chance at one - it's that they never even tried.

This regime looked dangerously close to that and when they wouldn't even use a !@#$ing 7th rounder on Tyler Bray, I was damn worried they'd be the same. But y'know what? They went out and got him. And Bray has as much raw talent as anyone to come out in the draft this year. That's some pretty exciting stuff.

Now lets go win some damn football games and watch this kid develop into the stud his talent says he can be. Even if he sits for 3 seasons, he'll be 24 when he gets his first starting gig. Time is on our side here.

It's only gonna get worse .... especially compared to Geno

He Got the W

You must really be down on the Chiefs if you automatically assume that any Qb they take with the intention of developing will fail inevitably.

Yeah, with the way the Chiefs have been drafting and failing in the early rounds, I can see your point.

But I can also see how you are kind of just a troll.

Yes I would have liked to have Geno Smith but it didn't have to be him we could have looked at next years draft but not give up picks for Alex ****ing Smith. He is the mediocre quarterback I referred too.

Just because I like Geno Smith doesn't mean it had to be Geno Smith to make me happy. There are other quarterbacks and if none of them were worth it take the best one and count on taking one in next years draft.

This isn't rocket science just take a chance and start developing prospects. Take another chance in next years and start developing him and again the next year if it comes to that. ****ing A grow a set of balls and pick a quarterback.

LMAO

We have had this discussion all offseason. You are bringing nothing new to the table that has not been discussed and peoples opinions have been decided on. Let it go.

Game managed the **** out of the game for that W as well. Alex Smith is definitely not a home run exciting type player, but he will bunt and walk his way to the promised land...

Alex Smith is my sandbox kryptonite.

http://i.imgur.com/KfwVHx8.jpg

It's really quite ironic.

And look who my QB is.

It's like the football universe is mocking me.

I think it's easy to want to suck when we've sat around and witnessed that work out for damn near every other franchise. It sucks that when we finally bottom out, there's no pretty prize sitting there and people are frustrated.

I do agree though about Bray but I just can't get too worked up about him quite yet. Like you said in another thread, these talent evaluators and gms know tons more than I do, and for a qb in today's nfl to go undrafted, chances of him working out are sketchy.

Now, I don't think there is ever going to be an Andrew luck or john elway available outside the top 2 picks, but good qbs can be had later in the first

What do you expect? He grew up in San Diego rooting for the Padres. They have been a base to base team for YEARS.

I'd obviously like to take him down next week.

But at the same time, a small part of me loves watching him soldier bravely forward in Sandbox. Should Alex D. Smith send Clearwater home before they get a chance to defend their Sandbox title, I'll take some solace in Alex's success...

Holy shit, this is so unrealistic. Was the difficulty set to rookie if that is relevant in this case?

If he goes for 260 yards and 2 td's, no picks this season I will probably shit myself.

Then again, Matt Cassel threw for 4 td's in a game so...

Smith's "success" is yet to be seen. And one thing you had better get in to your head is that his ceiling for success does not include hoisting a Lombardi in a Chiefs uniform.

Wow Clay. You managed to turn Tom Brady into Alex Smith....Well done.

For the record I am butthurt we didn't draft a quarterback in the first round with our top 1.1 pick or that we could have used our 2.2 pick for a quarterback and used our 1.1 pick for BAPRT. Giving up picks for Alex Smith hell yes I'm butthurt. Did not want Alex Smith to begin with. I thought it would be a typical Carl Peterson dick move it we traded for Alex Smith and guess what? We did just that. So yeah I am butthurt over the Alex Smith trade.



Ok. I'm not going get over it anytime soon either.

Teams don't plan to pick in the top 2 - it just happens. Nobody saw the Chiefs as a 2 win team and damn sure nobody figured the Colts as a 1 win team.

Ending up in the top 3 picks in a year where there are legitimate HOF caliber QBs available is going to be luck more often than it isn't.

Go out there, compete, try to make the playoffs and get hot. All the while you should have your eyes towards the next QB if you don't already have one that's a top 5 guy.

If you plan to fail - you're going to. A lot.

How is realizing your franchises never-ending pattern of FAIL when it can not or will not being "butthurt"?

reerunation.

I completely agree, do your best. It's just that we don't pick Qb's in the draft, at least not early so what's there to hope for if we suck horribly? Another band-aid? It's a vicious cycle.

Sure. I don't think you ever plan to fail, but if we were a game away from luck or rgIII, I would have gladly taken a loss.


I don't necessarily agree on the top 5 qb thing as I don't think you have to have one that good to be successful in the league. There are just so many good qbs in the league, to have a top 5 guy, your damn near talking generational type player.

I was the same way. We won a meaningless game against the Jags that year going into the Luck draft, and then got screwed.

Alex Smith is a Moneyball QB. I like it.

I really like your word choice there. The Chiefs are becoming the new Raiders, and the Fade are going into oblivion where a season in the future the NFL won't realize they are a member and will forget to schedule them. I could see this happening.

How many championships has Billy Bean brought to Oakland?

The Missing Ingredient; we need it.

ROFL

Many of them have said in the past that they would rather keep spending a 1st round pick on QBs until they get it right than get a retread.

Mother****er, you like EVERYTHING. :shake:

I'm not assuming that. I am commenting on the fact that you and the others think that only a "homegrown" QB is acceptable and that we should never get a QB any other way.

Lol, kind of like that.

I guess you would draft a Tyson Jackson over an Andrew Luck, wouldn't you? You defensive lineman loving troll****** you!

Haven't we done the "other way" long enough? JFC.:shake:

What are you bringing to the table with this post?

there was no Andrew Luck in that draft. Unless you want to rip them for not taking Mark Sanchez in that draft. EFF THAT.

The chiefs wouldn't pass on Andrew Luck though.

You'd be surprised.

I was hoping you would STFU.

Guess not.

I disagree. You have NO way of knowing that. The facts are that he was OT away from the SB with the 49ers, and he won more regular season games last year than Keap, making him a big part of their getting to the SB.

You know how I know ur reeruned?

Which is why they canned him at first chance. Because they thought he gave them the best chance to win right? Oh, no.. they thought the guy who had never throw an NFL pass before did. Gee.

Why do people bring up Andrew Luck like he's available every draft? Dude was a once in a decade QB prospect. The Andrew Luck before him was Peyton Manning. The Andrew Luck before that was Elway.

Lol, okay okay, do a little research boss. he had thrown some passes before taking over.....

I never said that, and there is nothing in my post that would even remotely indicate that. Are you ****ing stupid?

Kaepernick had thrown plenty of passes by the time Alex Smith was benched.

Why don't you take your own advice, since you are adding nothing to the discussing at all. At least I'm talking about FOOTBALL. What are you talking about? Nothing.

My bad, he had thrown like 15, because your best friend Alex couldn't stay on the field. Ever.

Whoa whoa, stay in your lane. I was just giving you the correct info.....as you were.

Buddy, this discussion has been had 100 times on this forum.

I guess you like retread QB's and retread information.

When they're the best option, I have no problem with retreads. Right now, it seems like Alex Smith was the best option.

I disagree.

Who was the better option?

What's this we shit? You're a Browns fan.

To save our two second round picks, draft Geno at 2.1. Yes I understand we didn't know ahead of time, but that does not change the fact that it was a viable option.


Remember, the previous year, Smith could have been had for a pittance of a salary and a 4th round pick, and not a single team jumped on it.

I would rather have went into the season with any other QB and two 2nds.

You think we'd even come close to contention with Geno as our QB? Like DJ already said, we already have the best of both worlds. We have a QB we can contend with right now and gives us a chance to win with Charles, DJ, Bowe, and Hali, and we have a QB we can groom for the future.

I'll take the win now, and win later approach, because with Geno at QB, we'd just be wasting Charles', DJ's, etc time.

I would rather TRY.


Remember, Geno hasn't thrown a ball in the NFL, so lets not pretend his career is over just yet.

As for a QB that can win now, I don't think he can. He cant get the ball down the field. He sucked MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR ass until the last 2 seasons, in which his team won in spite of his utterly pedestrian performances.

And I am not convinced Tyler Bray can do shit, though I am hopeful for that.

The Red Sox won the series using Moneyball methods....

and I was talking ABOUT THE BROWNS beating the jags, and costing us from being up in the top 2.....

I'd rather win now, and maybe win later. Not lose now and maybe win later.

This offense won't ask him to throw deep that often. It's based on short and intermediate routes that may eventually open up a deep pass or two. Smith is good at short and intermediate passes.

Me neither. I'm not convinced Geno can do shit either. But again, like DJ said, Bray has the higher ceiling and that's good enough for me right now.

But most of all, I'd rather win, and we have a better chance at winning now with Alex than with Geno.

You know what is ironic. When Kaepernick was first drafted, and then 49ers fans found out that they were bringing back Alex Smith, there was this thought process that it was a good thing. Alex Smith could hold down the fort until Kaepernick was ready. Kaepernick was no where near ready to play, he had accuracy issues, people hated his delivery he played in a small conference. And in his first preseason, he looked AWFUL.

I could see Bray taking that very same road.

Change your avatar.

:shake: I really genuinely do like the Chiefs. Its people on this board that wont let me say Im a chiefs fan......

Im perfectly happy pulling for the Chiefs and Alex Smith. I have spent far more time since Alex Smith came here watching and learning about the Chiefs than I have the 49ers.....

Im perfectly happy saying I am a Chiefs fan........

I don't want to give anyone else anything else to bitch about with Mav....

So you're an Alex-sexual. Got it.

You're not a Chiefs fan.

You didn't live through 1995 and 1997 and 2003.

You're just a bandwagon ****tard following your pathetic binky over here for a few seasons until we punt him for replicating those seasons.

And if you were a Chiefs fan, you'd understand why some of us hate the sonofabitch.

Again. Why even bother trying to explain it, if you are going to have your own opinion about it? Am I a Chiefs fan first? Obviously not. Im a browns fan, who genuinely likes Alex Smith, and the Chiefs.

So much so that I have stopped following my child hood team because I don't really care for the fans of that team, and am embarrassed to of been a fan.

But that isn't understandable to some people, and I get that.

Cue the gif...

First of all. It seems like you "like the Chiefs" b/c they got Alex Smith.

Second, you don't change teams asshole.