Why can't everyone admit this was a ****ing team loss. JFC That doesn't mean Alex didn't play lights out in the first half. That doesn't mean the defense didn't shit the bed in the second half. But here it the thing, the defense played lights out in the first half and Alex played average in the second half. The coaching was great in the first half and shitty in the second half.

No matter how you slice it, the team played poorly in the second half. Simple as that.

Yes, I want Alex extended. Yes, I like Alex. Yes, he is probably the best we can expect to get at this point.

but, i want Alex signed to a reasonable contract that is escapable after 3 years. Not Flacco and Cutler money.

In what way is tailored.

Its a simple question.

And that's the point you can't answer it they way you want.

Don't get mad at me because I'm right.

I'm the saying the should not extend him, at least not to those numbers.

Bottom line if you have a view point some asks a legitimate that you have no response to it's time to re-think your position.

You know it's ok to wrong.

I caught up... thanks again.

No QB is going to play like that game for 5 straight years.

No D is going to play like that game for 5 straight years.

No coaching staff is going to coach like that game for 5 straight years.

You question is designed so I will give you the answer you want me to say.

A simple question that is loaded to fit your argument, while desperately trying to avoid the fact that all 4 phases of the game (O/D/ST/Coaching) played a role in the loss.

But to give you an answer, no, I really don't think I'd be happy with an offense that plays lights out for a half of football, and then lays dormant for the other.

Nor would I be happy with a defense that plays lights out for a half (which everyone conveniently manages to forget happened) and then plays dormant for the other half.

I'd rather both sides of the ball be as balanced as possible - but you didn't bother to list that as an option, because it butchers your argument.

That is not the point of the question and you know, you are just being stubborn.

And you are not being stubborn? Give me a ****ing break.

Oh, and for the record, I fully stand behind OTPs post answering your question.

Most, if not all of the people that have been critical of Alex have said that the TEAM played poorly in the second half, and that they would still extend him.

But as Parker has pointed out many times over the last month, that's not good enough for these Niner fans, because you're still somehow being critical of Smith.

I wonder if these guys are like this in real life - unable to take any form of criticism.

It really is amazing the depths these guys will go to.

It just baffles me that they cannot see how this was a team loss.

Every win is a team win and every loss is a team loss. Period.

Not sure you can contradict yourself any more in a single thread:



It's a team game, yet you've managed to lay blame at just about everyone other than Alex.

Y'all make this too ****ing easy.

I don't think that anyone is saying that the offense is 100% blame free. I think most are just saying the defense is far more to blame then the offense. To support this I go back to what I've been say

In the 256 games this season 2 games ended with the losing team having over 40 points. That's the regular season. Now it's 3 in 260 games

The point

Even with the 2nd half offense the Chiefs offense played well enough in the first half to win 98.8% of the games in the nfl

Even with the defense in the 1st half in the 2nd they played bad enough that only loses 1.2% of the games in the NFL.

I think what most are saying is that the defense was the weak link.

It's impossible to assign weighted blame.

It's what people do to make themselves feel better about the overall situation, or about a particular player.

Every play on the field plays a role, and the negative plays by the offense in the 2nd half (fumble, missed pass, clock management) all played a part in the play of the defense.

Hell, the argument could be made that the defense played well enough in the first half to win most games - yet I don't see anyone doing it.

If it wasn't for the defense, we wouldn't have gotten out to a 38-10 lead.

Yet when the offense disappears along with the lead, it's the defense's fault?

Offense, defense and coaching all shit the bed in the 2nd half, no particular unit more than another.

Saying that the defense played like shit, in no way contradicts Teams win and Teams lose.

Saying that the coaches could have done a better job doesn't change anything either.

When you say "we need to extend Alex Smith" I hope you mean that in the most positive, non sexual way.

NTTAWWT....

We gave up too much to get him. So far, he's proven to many here that he was worth the trade.

He's going to get in 90 million range, hate or or leave it. Let's hope Bray pans out.
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By throwing for a first down on fourth down in clutch time only to have BOWE step out of bounds and not drag his foot. I tried not to see it but it's there. The dipshit is shining through.

I see why there's frustration with Alex. But that throw was perfect. Bowe just couldn't get his foot inbound.

I don't see why Alex is blamed for this one. He threw a good one.
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When do you plan to stop beating your wife?

Bowe kept the three most inportant points off the board.

Must be a bet we don't know about.

On that route, Bowe can't run it down the sideline, he's gotta give whoever his qb is, room to fit he throw in there, he can't get forced that close to the boundary.

Good play by the db to push him there, good throw, good catch, missed the second foot by a few inches.

Shit happens

LMAO

Thats what we have been saying. You haven't.

Was it ever a question Smith would be extended. It was pretty much a guarantee the day he signed.

Yep.

And I'm sure they will over pay.

absolutely. The playoff game had nothing to do with it.

Good point.

I wouldn't disagree with it. I would guess though that it sure made the dollar bills go up to some people though.

I just don't see the 5/90 54 guaranteed thing.

I think that's about the stupidest thing the chiefs could do.

I can't wrap my mind around these 5/90 or higher figures. I had 5/50 in my head and it's obviously getting blown out of the water. Unless the cap jumps 20 million or so it would be putting a significant crunch on getting the rest of the team held together for a 3 to 4 year window. Perhaps 5/75 with a cheap out after year 3 is where they'll settle... who knows. Hell, it's not my money but damn these QB's are not Payaton or Brady and need quality pieces surrounding them.

Right

And if he would have had a sh#t year?

decent QB play this year .. he doesn't hurt this team any ... Andy did well by getting him .....

Shit, there's no way he'd sign a deal like that. He'll get a $120,000,000+ deal from us. LMAO

plus another 4 pts when he failed to finish off his TD run and got tackled at the 3.

MAYBE IF I SAY IT LOUDER THEY'LL BELIEVE ME!

Your post proves nothing. Nothing at all. Probably less than nothing.

This. The guy who gets that kind of Jack is the guy who makes everyone around him better. Not sure any player on offense had a career year to speak of.

McCluster maybe, but that's not saying much at all.
Charles had a great year, but he's had better. Did contribute more TD's though.

Smith needs to take a reasonable deal so there is money left to pay the people around him.

Huh?

Jamaal had more receptions, receiving yards and TDs than any other season by a long shot. He definitely had a career year.

Aturnis is such a dumbass. He also said ricky stanzi was a good qb and tony moaki was durable

It's pretty incredible that Jamaal averaged 5 YPC and still had a "down" year as far as rushing the ball goes..

2010

In the offense as a whole, not just receiving.

He also saw his role as a receiver greatly increase. To say his success as a receiver was b/c of Alex Smith would be silly.

Andy would of tossed him out on his ass like he did well kolb mcnabb vick... ...

I was wrong about Stanzi, for some reason he couldn't put it all together. Never said Moeaki was durable.

Oh I don't know about that. Captain check down? He helped Charles in that department for sure.

Yes, with frequency, but if Charles had been used the same way QB's of the past, I don't think we'd see much of a difference.

That could be more scheme. It's brilliant too. How do you game plan for him now? Especially if they add a receiver and true threat at tight end!

It was a huge question. I posted 5 months ago that we should have extended him over the summer for 24 million/3 years and everyone disagreed
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...0#post10119740

Now we're probably looking at an 80+ million dollar contract

Well, good for Alex I guess

This is why this place isn't worth visiting anymore.

OTWP gave Alex Smith an A ****ING MINUS for the playoff game - one of his BIGGEST CRITICS gave him an A-.

And there's over a hundred posts from crybabies that can't handle it because of the minus on the end.

**** you 49er fans. Go the **** AWAY.

its funny that most of the guys who said what they wanted to see out of alex have seen it now and are ok with an extension.

all these assholes said it wouldn't happen...

49ers still playing which makes them feel good about letting Smith walk. No matter what we say, Smith will always be compared to Kaepernick.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

That and there is real alternative right now. No big name on the trade block or will hit FA and who knows where Bray is in his development.

Extention is going to happen. We all knew that deep down, but some people dont were holding out. As long as we dont pull the shit we did with Trent Green and have Todd ****ing Collins type of back up (which we kinda do) we should be ok. We know they arent drafting anyone this off season. Its going to be the same 3 amigos at qb.

If its a team loss now (and I agree, it is), why wasn't it team wins when we won? When we were winning, Smith doubters kept claiming it was the defense and defense only as to why we were winning. But now all games are either team wins or team losses?

This is what I wanted to come yesterday during the discussion.

I'm worried they are going to give Alex too much, I really hope they don't hamstring the team.

The way Roger Godell has changed the NFL he's made QB the most important reason in a teams success year in and year out.

Fans know that we wont get anywhere with Alex Smith. He may win a play off game or 2, but thats it. Thats his ceiling.

We are trying to win the Superbowl the Hardest way possible. In all reality its more then likely impossible with how the game of football is played today and how defense are hamstrung. You never see tough fought 10-7 games anymore. Its a damned rare that it happens. I remmber when i was young if you scored 30 or more points, you were like damn, someone got their ass kicked. Today 30 points is nothing.

You know you could flip flop that and make the same point, right?

If they were to sign Alex Smith to a 5year 5 million dollar deal they are hamstrung. Its kind of hard to pull away from Alex now though. They back themselves into a corner. Its gonna be more of the same once play offs come.

What a stupid thing to say.. "the fans know" huh? The very same fans that thought Smith would be average at best and fail miserably down the stretch.. the same fans that thought Alex couldn't play well without KC's "stellar" defense and having JC on the field...

and on and on, it goes.... The sheer arrogance of fans and their absolutes.. :facepalm:

Maybe they will wait to see how next year goes.

I make my Assumptions based on history and the rules laid down by the NFL today. Letslook at the hard facts here. Since 1992 all but 3 qb's have been Elite. I guess we can put Flacco in the 3 qb's that arent elite. Though he's getting paid like he's elite. Well every qb that has won a superbowl that isnt on them 3 teams is going to the hall of fame. Its pretty staggering.

Go down the line from Mannings, to Favre, Troy Aikmen, Steve Young, John Elway, Tom Brady, Drew Brees Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, Kurt Warner (yep, he's gonna get in too). All hall of famers. 2 of them teams that won it 2000 ravens and the 2003 buc's had all WORLD all time great defenses.

Defense is pretty none existent in the NFL now due to all the rule changes. So yeah, good luck. Yes, lets just callit arrogance. Lets not look at the cold hard facts that no one can deny.

If you look at the gif that ChiefsOsfan provided, it wasn't a perfect throw. It was a little behind him, causing Bowe to have to contort.
Bowe is also to blame, he should have been able to make the difficult catch and drag his foot being a #1 receiver.

Both the D and the O went to shit in the second half.

like I said right after the play...


it was on all three players.

bowe was too close to the sideline, the db made a play and pushed him more that way, smith threw the ball a little behind him and outside.

see the thing is I'm not talking about one play, I'm refering to the whole 2nd half.

Anyone know how many first downs kc picked up in 2nd half?

After that first td of the second half everything sucked.

Sorry man, but I've been hearing about "Smith's" ceiling for years... first he was never going to be able to lead a team to the playoffs (2 in the last 3 years and would have been 3 for 3 without the concussion - not to mention the Chiefs going 2-14 just one year ago)

Then he was never going to be able to win a playoff game. Beat the Saints in tremendous fashion and lost the NFCC only because of 10 points literally gifted to the Giants by fumbled punt returns. Not to mention that he had done way more than enough to win this last game against the Colts. If you look at his playoff stats, Smith balls out in the playoffs.

Then after Harbaugh went with Kaep, his naysayers said that we'd never get anything of value for Smith. They were obviously proved wrong again.

Then his naysayers said that the 2-14 Chiefs from 2012 would never be able to win the necessary 8 games in 2013 to improve the conditional pick with Smith leading the team. 11-4.

All I heard all week leading up to the Colts/Chiefs Wild card game is that Charles is the entire offense for the Chiefs. They can't move the ball without him. Charles goes out on the 6th play of the game and Smith drives his team for 44pts.

This whole business of "Smith can't win the superbowl" is just the latest thing his naysayers have to say about him. They are running out of landmarks to measure him against. After he does win the superbowl, they'll say he'll never be able to cure cancer.

The DB played the boundary and used it as a 2nd defender. It wasn't Alex OR Bowe's fault.

ROFL

Since when did Alex's mom start posting here?

Last I checked you can win 2 playoff games and make it to the SB. Hell of a ceiling.

You make a good point, the clutch play by the Colts is often overlooked in this thread for sure.

However, as Andy and many in this thread have said, Bowe ran the route to close the sideline.

If you look at the gif, about the only way I can see Bowe catching that ball in bounds, is for the pass to have been another foot or two in front of Bowe, and or Bowe going limp and dragging his foot.

ROFL :clap:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/963164e44...lh1io1_250.gif

LMAO Perfect.

Why do people keep saying the Chiefs were 11-4? It has been posted several times this week.
Math challenged? Discounting a loss or two? They were 11-5 in the regular season and ended up 11-6.

no... my math is fine. I was speaking of the regular season at that point. Naysayers said he'd never get to the necessary 8 wins in the regular season. Smith went 11-4. The 5 loss Smith never stepped on the field.

Smith seems like he plays to the level of his opponents. It looks like he has his best games against better opponents and when he lays stinkers it's usually against bad teams. I hope after that game the whole game manager thing dies down because he proved that even without our MVP he can ball the **** out and make things happen. No way in hell that Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer would've made those plays (Dilfer's superbowl year he had 12TD-11INT anyway.. don't see how that's comparable). Alex's footwork fundamentals were as close to perfect as it gets and he was really feeling the pressure well. Most of the big plays and TDs were after him escaping at least one defender.. Cassel in the same situation is sacked every time.

Oh, ok thanks, my bad you are correct.

I keep forgetting the he gets credit for all of the positives (like the first several games when the D totally carried the O) but none of the negatives, I forgot.

Just like the playoff game, he had 4 tds, 370+ yards, and no interceptions! Of course we don't mention that he was the recipient of the 4 turnovers the D created, and Smith had a fumble that was a killer.

Got it.

Also, the inability to sustain a drive without a TD after the fumble in the second half while the Colts secondary was shitting the bed as bad as KC's.