I'm not saying the Royals aren't without fault because that's clearly not the case. I've watched everyone of these series and there has been some shit on both sides. A lot of it I don't think we as the viewer are always privy too. If the Royals are the bad boys of baseball then so be it. I've seen plenty of shit on both sides in all cases. There were Royals beaned in previous games this series and Infante almost got 1 in his ear Friday they did nothing about. If you haven't seen the entire series unfold then you don't have the whole picture. Volquez hit Donaldson on purpose and the rest of the day was the Blue Jays overacting to every inside pitch. Whatever on to the next series.

That is about it. The Jays wanted to lean in and over the plate.

Saying that Volquez throws a 100mph fastball is only slightly less of an exaggeration than Darren Wilson saying Michael Brown looked like Hulk Hogan.

It was round two when Kazmir plunked somebody which started the second Royal rumble. Duffy couldn't plunk somebody or he would have been gone. Of course next man up was Herrea, with the 100 mph fastball and it was on.

I love the Royals, but me too.

The look on the girls face facing the camera is pretty good.

Lots of sexy chicks at the Jays games guys. I go to watch games there quite a bit.

Volquez didn't hit Donaldson for Moose. There were other reasons far and above Moose getting hit in the knee. Also, the guy got hit on a gigantic elbow pad. What exactly does he have to cry about? A guy is dominating you in a series because he is comfortable at the plate then you come inside. If coming inside means tailing in a fastball then so be it. At some point, you have to make the guy uncomfortable at the plate. I would love for the Royals to play these guys again in the playoffs, but I don't think we see them again this year.

Actually we've had a pretty good group of regulars in here the last few years - you are a bit misinformed - the Royals have always had a decent core of baseball fans on CP.

St. Louis one who sucks the penisy is a time honered tradition. We peasants may get there someday.

Royals fans may be front runners, asleep at the wheel, more accurately we may have been completely apathetic. We might have just plain sucked shit. But we've always agreed that cards fans are total one who sucks the peniss. That will never change. Build a thousand bridges and you're a bridge builder, but suck one cock and you're forever a St. Louis Cardinals fan.

The good ole days.

@DaveDarby46: This whole Blue Jays vs Royals thing is neat, but the Yankees/Royals back in the day was real dislike. https://t.co/ZMAd6hFCYA

I never get tired of seeing that. Should have been called out though.

Brett was a badass and those two still hate each other.

Gordon would have had that.

Yeah, he only throws 96 MPH beanballs at opponents for no good reason to initiate stupid conflicts in the 1st inning, not 100 MPH ones. My bad. LMAO

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLcIkk3UMAA_uRk.jpg

God what a whiny bitch Donaldson is.

Love watching Sal walk up the line between these guys and the pitcher. Having to go through that big so of a bitch seems to have guys hesitant to head towards the mound LMAO

Yeah, get off of the ****ing plate with a ****ing mega-pad on your elbow.

Pussy ass shit.

Coming up on 30 for 30, we'll talk to a couple of survivors from Beanball War 2015.

"I called my wife from the dugout phone in the 7th and told her I loved her and to squeeze them kids for dad one last time in case I don't make it back." - JDonaldson

And even with that, he didn't go at his head, dumbass.

Why does a Cardinals fan care about Blue Jays players stealing signs and hanging heavily padded elbows over the plate?

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Shh....everyone knows the royals are bullies.

Not one time did the Royals intentionally throw at Donaldson's head, dumbass

And with a changeup at that.

I missed the game yesterday (at my grandma's 80th) but caught up this morning over coffee and breakfast...

Anyone who thinks you're trying to hit a guy intentionally with a changeup is an idiot...

Anyone who thinks you're intentionally hitting a guy on the 7th pitch of an at-bat in the late innings of a close game is an idiot...

The pitch Madson threw that almost hit Donaldson WAS an inside fastball, made more inside by: 1) Donaldson being 5-8; 2) Donaldson crowding the plate; 3) Donaldson diving in to every pitch. If that had hit him, he would have been run, and I wouldn't have complained. It would have been in line.

Donaldson's reaction - and the way he showed up the umpire - was out of line, though. And isn't going to win him any fans among that fraternity.

Why? His changeup still reaches mid-80s and he had a warning on him. Fastball there and his day is done. An 85 mph pitch to the head is worse than a 95 mph pitch to the back. Are pitchers so stupid that they aren't trying to manipulate the ump when trying to nail someone?

Blue Jays stolen signs...1,764
Royals stolen signs...0

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yeah cause you know, pitchers throw change ups at a guy when they want to send a message.....LMAO

They think they could push other teams around.

But when they encounter someone bigger than them for a day, it pisses them off because they're just not used to that.

That's what RA Dickey said after the game....wanna finish his quote??

Yes.

And we gave them a dosage of our medicine that left a bad taste in their mouths.

Have you ever thrown a changeup?

If you'd ever thrown a changeup, you'd know why not.

No. Stop being an ass an explain it then.

And the rest????

Do you really not understand why a changeup is not the pitch someone is going to use to intentionally hit someone? I am being serious, not trying to condescend.

Yes. If the ump isn't going to throw someone out for a changeup, then I would have to wonder why pitchers aren't utilizing pitches, other than a fastball, for this purpose. Especially if they throw it in the mid-80s and around the head area.

Because Pitchers don't intentionally bean people with a change up??? It's a lot easier to control a fastball...which is why no one intentionally throws an offspeed pitch at someone

And I didn't hear any whining then they threw at Infante's head on Saturday

Donaldson was embarrassing and I cannot believe the ump had the restraint to NOT throw him out of the game. It was awful. Almost as embarrassing as Hamas showing up to tell us how terrible everything was without even watching the ****ing game and understanding the context of the situation.

I'm sure it is harder to control, but Volquez had to be unconventional in order to stay in the game. He had Donaldson in a situation where he could afford to throw at him again, and I'm not convinced he didn't.

You're reaching bad....

Agreed,his little bat flip would've been the final straw for me,your ass is officially run.

He should have been tossed after he delayed the game in the Madson at bat ... that was flat out ridiculous. But I commend the ump for keeping his cool and letting him stay in the game. Whatever. He DEFINITELY should have been tossed after Hoch got the strike 3 call on a borderline pitch in the 8th. That was disgusting, and the fact the ump didn't toss him for his little cry baby fit there was ridiculous restraint. The only reason I can think of him not being tossed was because the ump didn't want to deal with 15 minutes of Donaldson throwing water coolers and equipment on the field.

I liked Volquez before, I like him even more now for calling it the way it was ... he was exactly right. Donaldson cried all game like a little baby. Embarrassing behavior.

Sorry, the assertion is so ridiculous I couldn't help but be incredulous.

Reasons you would not try to hit somebody with a change-up (or any breaking pitch/off-speed pitch):

1) Control of the pitch. To hit someone, you need very fiinite command of a pitch. Because all off-speed/breaking pitches are designed to move based on spin and rotation of the laces, it is too difficult to predict exactly how much break you're going to get on a pitch when you throw it.

2) Changeups can't be thrown that way on purpose. The only way to throw a circle change, what Volquez utilizes, up and in like that is to have the grip slip and the pitch get away from you.

Normal action on any changeup, but especially any circle change, is typically going to be down and in.

The main thing is control and predictability. You know how much run a two-seam fastball or four-seam fastball from a pitcher is typically going to have. If you're trying to drill, you're going to do it with a pitch you can control, first.

There's also the matter of the difference in the way it feels. Wearing a pitch thrown at 95-96 is going to hurt, no matter what.

In the low 80s (like most sliders, curveballs, and changeups)? If you take that off a piece of body armor (like an elbow pad), you're not even going to have a bruise in some cases.

(which is why Jim Wolf didn't toss Volquez after warning him ... because he has been in the game long enough to know NOBODY throws a ****ing change up at someone like that.)

if that was a fastball, mistake or not, Volquez is immediately tossed. No questions asked.

Again, there is a reason NO Royals were tossed last game.

Great, informative response. Thanks. Even though it appears that Volquez was not head hunting, still interesting me that there is a way to go after a player's head and have the entire baseball world dismiss it. Even if not easily controlled, off-speed head hunting seems like it could be exploited.

I think you're on to something! I look forward to the next century of 72 MPH curve ball head hunting with extreme shifts and the elimination of 3rd base

Blue Jays fans continuing to be babies about Donaldson... boing at an Ervin Santana that broke high and in.

You've got it! He's trying to hit him with that mis-thrown slider.


Rudy - you're never going to see guys start trying to hit batters with sliders, curves, changeups, etc. Those pitches are so tough to command as is... you try to hit a batter with them, miss inside, and they've got a really fat pitch to hit.

You never want to throw a changeup above the belt, because then it typically is going to flatten out and just become a BP fastball.

Why did you guys get rid of Ervin Santana?

He is looking good out there today.

The guy is lights out in August with a career record of 24-12 in that particular month.

Do you ever shut up? Your posts are f-ing stupid.

Oh **** off. 85 mph is plenty of steam to piss people off. Obviously not everyone could send a message off speed

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Well, you know, just thought I'd ask. It doesn't hurt.

If you're aiming at the head, you'd have to miss a ton. A slider or curve would make less sense than a changeup, IMO. But I don't mind conceding this one.

Wow. Ventura is a ****ing dumbass.

ROFL

My shout out go to Zaunny. I just want to let you know that I love you and that you are the best thing that could've happened to the Bluejays since Roberto Alomar and Joe Carter.

I didn't realize Zaun was the Blue Jays color guy. Explains why he was showing his ass about things on twitter and complaining about the umpire.

I'd expect better from a guy with Zaun's career, were he impartial.

Best thing about that is Ventura saying, basically, you'll see me next year (intimating that the Blue Jays won't play the Royals again, therefore no playoffs).

Zaunny should be up there in the broadcast booth. I say pair him up with Dan Shulman and get rid of this Buck Martinez and Pat Tabler duo.

I know you guys don't like me, and that's cool but at least we could agree that buck Martinez and pat Tabler are poop as commentators.

Those two are the worst things that could've happened to the Bluejays. Imo, they should've stayed in Kansas City;)

Could you folks imagine Dan Shulman and Gregg Zaun calling games for the Bluejays? With this offense? That would make for more exciting ball games.

The irony that Canadians love a sport where dudes mash each other all game, but then get up in arms about their baseball players getting hit with changeups.

big talk for a guy who doesn't have to face Ventura at the plate...

Ventura is a young immature dumbass that doesn't know or how to shut his mouth. The kid needs some humility and Omaha would have been perfect for him but Vargas injury nipped it in the bud. You got to treat the big leaguers like men but Ventura is plain disappointing wish he could just bite his tongue and do the talking with his pitching on the mound.

Now Zaun is a grown man whats his excuse. Serious you want to call the kid out and ask for him to visit you in seat ** row***. OK tv tough guy I bet Jays security is gonna love you every drunk will be looking to take you on. Oh and Zaun know how I know you never beat anyone's ass in a fight? By call a guy out saying he goes a buck twenty five. More skinny guys have beat ass on much bigger dude than I care to count. Careful what you wish for. I bet your family is proud making an ass of yourself on local TV.

Zaun was a nobody in the league. Not sure what he is getting at.

Hey Brinks this says a lot about your new hero.

Mitchell Report[edit]
In 2009, Zaun was included in the Mitchell Report following a 20-month investigation into the use of performance enhancing drugs by former Senator George Mitchell. In the report, Kirk Radomski claimed he sold Deca-Durabolin and Winstrol to Zaun in 2001, after a referral from Jason Grimsley. Radomski produced a check from Zaun for $500. Mitchell also explained that former Montreal Expos bullpen catcher Luis Perez claimed to have supplied Zaun with steroids in 2002. Zaun declined to be interviewed for the report.[8]


I think he must be juicing again.

I think its pretty evident who is hooking Donaldson and Bautista up.

Wait. Someone gives a shit about Greg Zaun?

Please no...

True, but I suspect he didn't go around stupidly running his mouth at 6 time All-Stars either.

Is he part of that show Dharma & Greg?

No.. but back in his day he was 'Roid guy.

Of course. So were many in those days. We're talking about MLB.

An intentional change up to Donaldson's head? ****ing classic. ROFL

Canadians.....LMAO

The thing that kills me about these guys is that they crowd the plate, then get all defensive when a pitcher comes inside on them.


Unmmmmmm. What do you expect?

I hate the attitude of hitters have that take it too personal if a pitcher comes inside. It's ridiculous really

Agree, but I also hate that pitchers don't have to dig-in in the AL. I don't think hitters should complain about inside pitches when crowding the plate, and I think all pitchers should have to dig-in...