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KChiefs1 08-13-2016 05:57 PM

****Seahawks @ Chiefs Preseason GDT****
 
Off topic.

I love seeing the Rams back in the LA Coliseum.

Brings me back to my childhood with Roman Gabriel at QB & Merlin Olsen & Deacon Jones.




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Trivers 08-13-2016 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367123)
****ing moron.

Moron? I wouldn't say that as he did type a complete sentence.

Drama queen wanting a little attention? Maybe that would be a better description.

It's preseason with the 4s or 5s.

Good game when it counted. We are loaded.

Chiefshrink 08-13-2016 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12367065)
Put Dee Ford in

of course another disappointment.

Mr. Laz 08-13-2016 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 12367133)
And why it's all on Sutton. Trusting 3rd stringers to know what to do in their very first NFL experience after a time out. Really?:shrug:

coming out of a timeout the coaches should make SURE that the players know what's going on

Who cares who won/loss, it's about the coaching staff doing the same ol' shit again.

Settling for field goals
dubious clock management
poor prep/organization
pussy playcalling that gives the other team a chance for a miracle to happen

Not only has the shit happened several times before but it's happened in the playoffs before ....... TWICE!!

Deberg_1990 08-13-2016 06:01 PM

Cheer up guys,

An NFL Life Christian Okoyo is on!!

Simply Red 08-13-2016 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12367144)
Cheer up guys,

An NFL Life Christian Okoyo is on!!

**** that pussy.

Mr. Laz 08-13-2016 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R8RFAN (Post 12367135)
Typical Cheap Finish

I can't even disagree, you bastard.

:sulk:

BlackOp 08-13-2016 06:02 PM

What was the Vegas line?

RealSNR 08-13-2016 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 12367117)
1st string OL looked way better than they ever have under Reid. Let's hope that continues.

Why wouldn't it?

We're set and solid 1-5 at the OL. Only thing that will take it down is injuries, and even then, Fulton and Reid are pretty good at filling in everything along the interior.

Chiefshrink 08-13-2016 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12367075)
Jackson sucks.


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Ya think ? What d back stands behind a WR that is literally 4-5 inches taller in the end zone waiting for the ball ? How do you make a play on the ball standing behind someone like that ? Just stupid to let yourself get blocked out like that. Jackson has to make a play on that ball in front of him, PERIOD.:#

tmax63 08-13-2016 06:03 PM

The officiating was in mid-season form. Having to waste their last challenge on that punt return, the non-holding, the 1 challenge the officials let stand. Didn't like the no-call on the hit on Hogan either. But it appears that the players who will make the team did well.

Gonzo 08-13-2016 06:04 PM

Did anyone get hurt for KC? I couldn't watch he game today, unfortunately.

GloryDayz 08-13-2016 06:04 PM

Time for a player-only meeting... ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Deberg_1990 08-13-2016 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 12367154)
Did anyone get hurt for KC? I couldn't watch he game today, unfortunately.

Just Alex Smith

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367142)
coming out of a timeout the coaches should make SURE that the players know what's going on

Who cares who won/loss, it's about the coaching staff doing the same ol' shit again.

Settling for field goals
dubious clock management
poor prep/organization
pussy playcalling that gives the other team a chance for a miracle to happen

Not only has the shit happened several times before but it's happened in the playoffs before ....... TWICE!!

Get off the ledge ****tard.
Players actually have to execute now and then. Jackson burned deep twice. Learn from it the first time. Played the td pass awful.

LoneWolf 08-13-2016 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12367156)
Just Alex Smith

Don't be a dick.

ping2000 08-13-2016 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 12367154)
Did anyone get hurt for KC? I couldn't watch he game today, unfortunately.

No injuries. Game followed Chiefs regular season gameplan complete with game winning drive . . . By the opposing team.

LoneWolf 08-13-2016 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367157)
Get off the ledge ****tard.
Players actually have to execute now and then. Jackson burned deep twice. Learn from it the first time. Played the td pass awful.

Meh. That's just Laz. He's a whiny moron, but he's our whiny moron.

Mr. Laz 08-13-2016 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367157)
Get off the ledge ****tard.
Players actually have to execute now and then. Jackson burned deep twice. Learn from it the first time. Played the td pass awful.

I'm not on a ledge you putrid pile of dog vomit

If you can't see the shitfest game management by our coaching staff AGAIN, then you shouldn't watch football anymore.

Time for badminton or some other silly shit you might be able to understand.

Deberg_1990 08-13-2016 06:09 PM

Wow, Okoyo still very salty over the Atwater hit. Doesn't like talking about it.

R8RFAN 08-13-2016 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12367144)
Cheer up guys,

An NFL Life Christian Okoyo is on!!

Wasn't he the big guy Atwater destroyed on MNF? :D

Mr. Laz 08-13-2016 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 12367161)
Meh. That's just Laz. He's a whiny moron, but he's our whiny moron.

I'm strangely angry and wanting to hug you all at the same time.

:D

Rain Man 08-13-2016 06:11 PM

The guys who helped themselves in my opinion were:

Dez Moses
Dadi Nicholas
Aaron Murray
Jared Pughsley
Ross Travis
Ramik Wilson
Darrin Reaves
DJ White
Cairo Santos
The third-string DL

Guys who hurt themselves:

Steven Nelson
Malcolm Jackson
Pretty much all of the receivers other than Maclin.
Mitch Morse (what was up with those bad snaps?)

R8RFAN 08-13-2016 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367148)
I can't even disagree, you bastard.

:sulk:

Pre season don't matter and losses dont matter when the scrubs are in

Trivers 08-13-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367162)
I'm not on a ledge you putrid pile of dog vomit

If you can't see the shitfest game management by our coaching staff AGAIN, then you shouldn't watch football anymore.

Time for badminton or some other silly shit you might be able to understand.

Actually, drunken CPer may be a better description.

How many today, LAZ?

You are over-reacting...again.

thabear04 08-13-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12367124)
when do players on the roster 60 thru 90 get cut.

August 30: 4 PM ET deadline for teams to reduce their rosters to 75 players.
September 3: 4 PM ET deadline for teams to reduce their rosters to 53 players.

PunkinDrublic 08-13-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367162)
I'm not on a ledge you putrid pile of dog vomit

If you can't see the shitfest game management by our coaching staff AGAIN, then you shouldn't watch football anymore.

Time for badminton or some other silly shit you might be able to understand.

ROFL

LoneWolf 08-13-2016 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367166)
I'm strangely angry and wanting to hug you all at the same time.

:D

Oh, angry man hug! Clay would be so jealous. :D

staylor26 08-13-2016 06:13 PM

So is Ware officially ahead of West? He better be.

LoneWolf 08-13-2016 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12367169)
The guys who helped themselves in my opinion were:

Dez Moses
Dadi Nicholas
Aaron Murray
Jared Pughsley
Ross Travis
Ramik Wilson
Darrin Reaves
DJ White
Cairo Santos
The third-string DL

Guys who hurt themselves:

Steven Nelson
Malcolm Jackson
Pretty much all of the receivers other than Maclin.
Mitch Morse (what was up with those bad snaps?)

I only remember one high snap and it still hit Alex in the hands. I thought Tyreek Hill performed well and his speed and quickness was evident.

Brent Williams 08-13-2016 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12367169)
The guys who helped themselves in my opinion were:

Dez Moses
Dadi Nicholas
Aaron Murray
Jared Pughsley
Ross Travis
Ramik Wilson
Darrin Reaves
DJ White
Cairo Santos
The third-string DL

Guys who hurt themselves:

Steven Nelson
Malcolm Jackson
Pretty much all of the receivers other than Maclin.
Mitch Morse (what was up with those bad snaps?)

Didn't Morse have problems snapping the ball in college? I believe that is why he moved to guard maybe? I could be wrong but I thought I remember that.

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367162)
I'm not on a ledge you putrid pile of dog vomit

If you can't see the shitfest game management by our coaching staff AGAIN, then you shouldn't watch football anymore.

Time for badminton or some other silly shit you might be able to understand.

Oh trust me I'm familiar with your irrational football takes. Blaming coaching for this pre-season loss is laughable.

Mr. Laz 08-13-2016 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367181)
So is Ware officially ahead of West? He better be.

He absolutely should be.

His power brings something extra to our offense.

Mr. Laz 08-13-2016 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367194)
Oh trust me I'm familiar with your irrational football takes. Blaming coaching for this pre-season loss is laughable.

How about our playoff losses when shitty coach game management cost us too?

scho63 08-13-2016 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12367169)
The guys who helped themselves in my opinion were:
Darrin Reaves-Excellent game even in scrub time


Guys who hurt themselves:

Tyler Bray - it was nice knowing you.......

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 06:25 PM

Seattle FOX Q13 post game analysis is quite funny in how they are spinning the Seahawks performance.

Baby Lee 08-13-2016 06:25 PM

All right. Who had 'Laz to Spaz' in the pool?

scho63 08-13-2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12367130)
I dont really give a shit who won...but the refs cant just quit calling penalties because it's the last play.

That holding call would have ended the game...and it was about as blatant as it could get.

It sure was! EVERYONE saw it BUT the refs! ROFL

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12367199)
How about our playoff losses when shitty coach game management cost us too?

I will agree in the Indy instance, and to a lesser degree in the NE game. Too many walking wounded at NE where the game plan was not able to be executed. NE was arguably as healthy as they been since early in the season.
But today? What glaring coaching errors lost us the game? Coverage? The missed challenge? 12 men on field (that is always on the players)?

Will you credit the coaching for carving up the Seattle defense that first drive? Or how Boykin was shut down until he was brought back to play against 3s and 4s?

Nothing was going to be perfect today including coaching. Tons of positives, and I am no sunshine pumper. Most franchises envy our depth right now....

Mav 08-13-2016 06:42 PM

I'm just watching the game. Alex Smith is blind, but Marcus Peters isn't human.


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TribalElder 08-13-2016 07:28 PM

**** the preseason

Buzz 08-13-2016 07:38 PM

Looked to me our run defense was a bit suspect, we got gashed pretty good on several plays.

Easy 6 08-13-2016 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 12367322)
Looked to me our run defense was a bit suspect, we got gashed pretty good on several plays.

No question about it, didnt expect to see the front 3 get shoved off the ball like that time and again

They were letting Christine Brett Michaels look like Jim Brown

Anyong Bluth 08-13-2016 09:08 PM

Do we have a body count on the number of people who jumped off the ledge because we're not going 4 - 0 in the preseason?

Anyong Bluth 08-13-2016 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367181)
So is Ware officially ahead of West? He better be.

Alphabetically?

Confirmed.

Anyong Bluth 08-13-2016 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12367206)
All right. Who had 'Laz to Spaz' in the pool?

If there's a CP deadpool, it really should be stickied.

RunKC 08-13-2016 09:36 PM

A couple of Chris Jones plays that were really good:

Easily beats the OL, then gets his hands up quickly and almost tips the pass.
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Easily beats the OL to get into the backfield on 4th and 1 and opens the hole for Justin March to stuff the RB.

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The guy looked really really good today.

TLO 08-13-2016 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12367471)
A couple of Chris Jones plays that were really good:

Easily beats the OL, then gets his hands up quickly and almost tips the pass.
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Easily beats the OL to get into the backfield on 4th and 1 and opens the hole for Justin March to stuff the RB.

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The guy looked really really good today.

If I'm not mistaken, he also diagnosed a screen play and completely shut down any possibility of a reception to the HB.

Simply Red 08-13-2016 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367181)
So is Ware officially ahead of West? He better be.

I agree.

staylor26 08-13-2016 10:50 PM

Dadi Nicholas has the speed and can bend. This guy has a chance to be really good.

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Pepper (Post 12367482)
If I'm not mistaken, he also diagnosed a screen play and completely shut down any possibility of a reception to the HB.

Yeah I remember that play and was thinking how impressive that was. This kid is the real deal and has a football iq to go along with tremendous athleticism.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:00 PM

Everyone is asleep, so I'm watching again.

Dee Ford, with 4:29 left in the 1st, SO completely fails to seal the edge.

It's just awful.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:06 PM

Dee Ford went for the strip at 4th and 1 instead of the stop.

:facepalm:

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367518)
Everyone is asleep, so I'm watching again.

Dee Ford, with 4:29 left in the 1st, SO completely fails to seal the edge.

It's just awful.

If his lacklustre play keeps up, and if the likes of Moses, Nicolas, Zombo, etc. prove dependable, I wonder if Dorsey has the balls to give Dee his walking papers? Massaquoi was arguably better than Ford today too.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:07 PM

Nelson is giving up a huge cushion.

Good grief.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367522)
If his lacklustre play keeps up, and if the likes of Moses, Nicolas, Zombo, etc. prove dependable, I wonder if Dorsey has the balls to give Dee his walking papers? Massaquoi was arguably better than Ford today too.

Massaquoi was awful.

Ford and Mulumba were comparable, albeit, against different competition but a 1st rounder like Ford won't be cut after a preseason game.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:11 PM

Nelson is just in time to make every tackle.

No feel, no prescience.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:12 PM

Ramik Wilson needs more upper body strength

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367527)
Massaquoi was awful.

Ford and Mulumba were comparable, albeit, against different competition but a 1st rounder like Ford won't be cut after a preseason game.

Too much dead money with a Ford release or trade anyhow, but sheesh he is awfully close to bust label. I did not suggest Massaquoi was good, but he did have a couple rushes late that helped Nicolas and I think King to provide pressure.
I want to see Moses and Nicolas against 1's and 2's to get a better measure. Not sure they get the opportunity.

nychief 08-13-2016 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367531)
Ramik Wilson needs more upper body strength

Such a pec queen.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367533)
Too much dead money with a Ford release or trade anyhow, but sheesh he is awfully close to bust label. I did not suggest Massaquoi was good, but he did have a couple rushes late that helped Nicolas and I think King to provide pressure.
I want to see Moses and Nicolas against 1's and 2's to get a better measure. Not sure they get the opportunity.

Nicolas is going to be a player but he needs more experience and quite a bit more upper body strength.

That said, (sadly, BTW), at this point, it appears he has more upside than Ford.

RunKC 08-13-2016 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367524)
Nelson is giving up a huge cushion.

Good grief.

Dee Ford also dropped back into coverage on the Peters INT. Never change, Bob Sutton...never change.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nychief (Post 12367537)
Such a pec queen.

I like 'em big, I like 'em chunky

Simply Red 08-13-2016 11:23 PM

Moses -

staylor26 08-13-2016 11:25 PM

Justin March >>> Ramik Wilson

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:26 PM

C. West is a beast, even with the 2's.

He might have a huge year...

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:27 PM

I think Foles gets a TD with the 1's in that situation, once his timing is right

RunKC 08-13-2016 11:28 PM

Re-confirming what I saw when I first watched: all of the Seahawk QB snaps from the first team were 3 step drops with quick passes. Same as the Pats game 7 months ago.
Can't get any gauge on the pass rush when the ball goes out quickly. That's something that the backups didn't have to deal with.

But my god did Dee Ford look awful in run support today. It's like he's learned nothing.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12367555)
But my god did Dee Ford look awful in run support today. It's like he's learned nothing.

I don't want to be too critical but yeah, we learned containment in 2nd grade

Simply Red 08-13-2016 11:31 PM

Foles looks like a starter when he's observing from the sideline - Just towers over Murray once Bray is in. Looks very athletic, loving that pick up.

Simply Red 08-13-2016 11:33 PM

someone said he's Tom Petty's son.

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367540)
Nicolas is going to be a player but he needs more experience and quite a bit more upper body strength.

That said, (sadly, BTW), at this point, it appears he has more upside than Ford.

Gaudy stats at Auburn boosted Ford's draft stock but he was a polarizing prospect. Freakish athletic numbers and impressive production, but somewhat of a one trick pony who was surrounded by great talent. I personally hated the pick at the time.

Nicolas would likely have been a 2nd to 3rd round prospect before the Hokies stupidly asked him to play inside their hybrid front. Nicolas has impressive pass rush skills and improved other aspects of his game while at Vtech. Many great reviews about his intangibles/work ethic and willingness to get better have circulated for some time. I loved the Nicolas pick because Dorsey got huge athletic potential and a solid character kid arguably 2-3 rounds later than where he should have been scooped up.
Ford on the other hand was over-drafted IMO and it appears that he is struggling with the pro game. What may have come easy in college is devoid in his pro performances to date. Is it work ethic? Slow processing? It may be all these things, but he is definitely trending down.

staylor26 08-13-2016 11:36 PM

Dee Ford shouldn't be playing SOLB. Plain and simple. He'd be just fine if Houston were there and he was at WOLB.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 12367565)
Gaudy stats at Auburn boosted Ford's draft stock but he was a polarizing prospect. Freakish athletic numbers and impressive production, but somewhat of a one trick pony who was surrounded by great talent. I personally hated the pick at the time.

Nicolas would likely have been a 2nd to 3rd round prospect before the Hokies stupidly asked him to play inside their hybrid front. Nicolas has impressive pass rush skills and improved other aspects of his game while at Vtech. Many great reviews about his intangibles/work ethic and willingness to get better have circulated for some time. I loved the Nicolas pick because Dorsey got huge athletic potential and a solid character kid arguably 2-3 rounds later than where he should have been scooped up.
Ford on the other hand was over-drafted IMO and it appears that he is struggling with the pro game. What may have come easy in college is devoid in his pro performances to date. Is it work ethic? Slow processing? It may be all these things, but he is definitely trending down.

He was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and had 20 sacks, so "over drafted" is a misnomer.

That said, his progress has been disappointing. He still has time to turn it around but that likelihood seems to be shrinking.

DaneMcCloud 08-13-2016 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367568)
Dee Ford shouldn't be playing SOLB. Plain and simple. He'd be just fine if Houston were there and he was at WOLB.

While I agreed before today, man, he just seems to fail at any type of recognition

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12367564)
someone said he's Tom Petty's son.

Heh.

Even better. Loved the acquisition of Foles from the get go, but my fandom increases if he is Tom's baby boy. Such an iconic musician and songwriter.

BlackOp 08-13-2016 11:47 PM

Nicolas is small...I happened to be in KC and checked out a practice. He was standing next to Peters and they were roughly the same size...he's like 230.

staylor26 08-13-2016 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367571)
While I agreed before today, man, he just seems to fail at any type of recognition

Jerry Hughes, Whitney Mercilus, and Melvin Ingram all looked liked busts too going into year 3. They each didn't break out till year 4, even with more experience than Ford early on. It sucks to see him continuing to struggle, but I'm not going to overreact yet either. I'm also not going to wait till after year 4 till I say we need to start looking for his replacement though.

Chief Northman 08-13-2016 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12367570)
He was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and had 20 sacks, so "over drafted" is a misnomer.

That said, his progress has been disappointing. He still has time to turn it around but that likelihood seems to be shrinking.

Oh I know, but I also remember some red flags around him and scouting reports suggesting that although he was a tremendous athlete that he was not very football savvy and one dimensional. The draft is a crapshoot but I remember opinions ranging on Ford being as high as a top 12-15 pick to the bottom of the second round.

BlackOp 08-13-2016 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12367568)
Dee Ford shouldn't be playing SOLB. Plain and simple. He'd be just fine if Houston were there and he was at WOLB.

True..he was drafted to Hali's replacement...not Houstons. Two different positions...

The offense looked crisp out of the gate...and the O-line looked good. Seattle has a great defense. Smith will be a different QB without defenders in his face...as will Charles.

I've never seen JC run behind a good O-line...so kinda excited about it.


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