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ChiTown 05-16-2018 03:25 PM

13-30.

On pace for 49 wins.ROFL

Seriously though, I'm guess 60-102

petegz28 05-16-2018 03:40 PM

another game lost before we ever got to bat.....

ChiefsCountry 05-16-2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 13558745)
Swept. This team is just bad.

Hammel is 0-5.

The Yanks are going to abuse these turds.

Because of baseball, we will probably sweep the Yankees.

crayzkirk 05-16-2018 03:46 PM

It's getting seriously difficult to maintain any sort of interest. They are lifeless and the lineup is punch less. Gordon had shown signs of life and now is reverting to 2017 form. Players are coming up injured and starting pitching is terrible.

Trying to remember 2014 and 2015...

dlphg9 05-16-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 13558778)
It's getting seriously difficult to maintain any sort of interest. They are lifeless and the lineup is punch less. Gordon had shown signs of life and now is reverting to 2017 form. Players are coming up injured and starting pitching is terrible.

Trying to remember 2014 and 2015...

If you didn't expect this then idk what to tell you. They're bad and you shouldn't have had any hope

Chiefspants 05-16-2018 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 13558778)
It's getting seriously difficult to maintain any sort of interest. They are lifeless and the lineup is punch less. Gordon had shown signs of life and now is reverting to 2017 form. Players are coming up injured and starting pitching is terrible.

Trying to remember 2014 and 2015...

Gordo’s been solid the last two games. As hard as it is, losing like this is the best case scenario. GMDM needs to be absolutely convinced that our only option is to sell our assets this year.

Herrera + Moose to the Braves is something we should all hope for.

duncan_idaho 05-16-2018 07:13 PM

I love Baseball, so I’ll keep watching. I obviously didn’t see this kind of collapse coming. Still surprised they’re this bad.

Still see the positives in Merrifield and Herrera and Moustakas developing max trade value for themselves, Soler emerging, Junis, Jason Adam, Brad Keller.

I’m excited to see Mondesi later this year, and possibly Staumont and Lovelady. And to see what happens in the draft.

They’ve been connected a lot recently to Jordyn Adams, a dynamic athlete with a football commitment to North Carolina (WR). He’s a crazy athlete win Buxton/Trout like physical skills.

RealSNR 05-16-2018 08:26 PM

When's the earliest we can put Kennedy on an iceberg and send him out to sea?

WhawhaWhat 05-16-2018 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13559033)
When's the earliest we can put Kennedy on an iceberg and send him out to sea?

October 2020.

BlackHelicopters 05-17-2018 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13559033)
When's the earliest we can put Kennedy on an iceberg and send him out to sea?

Anytime.
But, it would be an expensive iceberg before Oct 2020.

Great Expectations 05-17-2018 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackHelicopters (Post 13559652)
Anytime.
But, it would be an expensive iceberg before Oct 2020.

Much worse than the Gordon contract.

Pitt Gorilla 05-17-2018 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13559732)
Much worse than the Gordon contract.

AND he cost us a pick. Allard Moore makes some great decisions.

BlackHelicopters 05-17-2018 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13559732)
Much worse than the Gordon contract.

Tend to agree.
At least Gordon is batting .275.

OKchiefs 05-17-2018 01:23 PM

Can anyone point to many moves by Moore that have worked out in recent years? It seems to me that anytime he does something, the exact opposite turns out to have been a better choice.

WhawhaWhat 05-17-2018 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13559804)
Can anyone point to many moves by Moore that have worked out in recent years? It seems to me that anytime he does something, the exact opposite turns out to have been a better choice.

Re-signing Mike Moustakas for $6 mil
Trading for Jorge Soler
Development of Whit Merrifield
Development of Jake Junis
Trading for cash for Brad Keller as a Rule 5 pick.
Salvador Perez is still on a very team friendly contract and will be for this year and the next 3 years.

OKchiefs 05-17-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13559839)
Re-signing Mike Moustakas for $6 mil
Trading for Jorge Soler
Development of Whit Merrifield
Development of Jake Junis
Trading for cash for Brad Keller as a Rule 5 pick.
Salvador Perez is still on a very team friendly contract and will be for this year and the next 3 years.

Those are alright I suppose, but to me the failures far outweigh the successes.

- Giving away Jose Martinez for nothing.
-Not trading Duffy
- Signing Gordon and Kennedy
- Horrible in the draft

I really hope I'm wrong, but despite having 4 top 40 picks I have absolutely no faith in any substance coming from this draft. I also have little faith in getting any substantial return at the trade deadline.

Great Expectations 05-17-2018 01:57 PM

Kennedy’s winning percentage with the Royals is .378. That would be 61-101 for a season. I’m not able to see what KC’s winning percentage is in games that he has started, but I’d imagine it is a little higher. He seams to be really bad early. Did he really only face 4 batters last year after throwing 60 pitches?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/split...8864/year/2017

WhawhaWhat 05-17-2018 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13559852)
Those are alright I suppose, but to me the failures far outweigh the successes.

- Giving away Jose Martinez for nothing.
- Not trading Duffy
- Signing Gordon and Kennedy
- Horrible in the draft

I really hope I'm wrong, but despite having 4 top 40 picks I have absolutely no faith in any substance coming from this draft. I also have little faith in getting any substantial return at the trade deadline.

Remember that they traded away 5 minor league pitchers in 2015 for Zobrist and Cueto. They also traded away AJ Puckett, another Royals draft pick, last year for Melky Cabrera when they were trying to put together another playoff run. Even though Manaea is the only one that's really panning out, they were still mortgaging the future with those trades and now the Royals are getting the receipt for that with an empty farm system.

Discuss Thrower 05-17-2018 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 13559735)
AND he cost us a pick. Allard Moore makes some great decisions.

Two pennants and a championship ring.

Titty Meat 05-17-2018 02:44 PM

This is Neds last year

BlackHelicopters 05-17-2018 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13559875)
Kennedy’s winning percentage with the Royals is .378. That would be 61-101 for a season. I’m not able to see what KC’s winning percentage is in games that he has started, but I’d imagine it is a little higher. He seams to be really bad early. Did he really only face 4 batters last year after throwing 60 pitches?

http://www.espn.com/mlb/player/split...8864/year/2017

Brian Andersen? (sp?)

BlackHelicopters 05-17-2018 02:50 PM

Anderson regressed in 2004, pitching poorly throughout the season. His record was 6–12 with a career high 5.64 ERA in 166 innings.

BigCatDaddy 05-17-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13559961)
Remember that they traded away 5 minor league pitchers in 2015 for Zobrist and Cueto. They also traded away AJ Puckett, another Royals draft pick, last year for Melky Cabrera when they were trying to put together another playoff run. Even though Manaea is the only one that's really panning out, they were still mortgaging the future with those trades and now the Royals are getting the receipt for that with an empty farm system.

This post if full of contradictions. 1 guy pans out and they mortgaged the future of the team?

BWillie 05-17-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 13559732)
Much worse than the Gordon contract.

Would have been a great contract if MLB didn't juice the ball. Ian Kennedy is as fly ball pitcher as there is. On paper, it was a smart signing. MLB ****ed us is what happened.

RealSNR 05-17-2018 04:00 PM

Flags fly forever.

I'll take one ring over all the successful seasons the Indians have had over the past 2-3 decades.

WhawhaWhat 05-17-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13560031)
This post if full of contradictions. 1 guy pans out and they mortgaged the future of the team?

We'll see how Brandon Finnegan comes back from from his shoulder injury. But the Royals would have been better off in 2018 with Manaea in the rotation, Finnegan either in the rotation or the bullpen and John Lamb still in the system and potentially at the MLB level.

It was still a good trade despite what the team is now without them.

That's also not to mention Ventura dying which there was no way to plan for.

duncan_idaho 05-17-2018 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13560114)
Would have been a great contract if MLB didn't juice the ball. Ian Kennedy is as fly ball pitcher as there is. On paper, it was a smart signing. MLB ****ed us is what happened.


Getting caught with a fly ball heavy staff when MLB juiced the ball at the same time as everyone started adjusting his swing for additional loft was a pretty brutal confluence of events.

It definitely hurt Kennedy, and he’s not the only one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13559852)
Those are alright I suppose, but to me the failures far outweigh the successes.



- Giving away Jose Martinez for nothing.

-Not trading Duffy

- Signing Gordon and Kennedy

- Horrible in the draft



I really hope I'm wrong, but despite having 4 top 40 picks I have absolutely no faith in any substance coming from this draft. I also have little faith in getting any substantial return at the trade deadline.


Moore hasn’t been as good in the draft as he needs to be to keep waves rolling in to KC, but he also has enough success to be considered better than “horrible.” He has performed well with large bonus pools, or when he has the flexibility to overpay slot for some key players. That’s the situation this year.

They also have done very well in the past 2 drafts. Pratto, Melendez, Lee, Tillo, Zuber, Gigliotti, Lopez, etc.

Trading Danny Duffy is a lot harder in real life than in MlB the Show. If they had found a package that was valuable enough to move him, they would have. Offers were lackluster for him over the winter.

When you trade an established player with years of control left at reasonable prices, you have to get enough value back to mitigate the risk of giving them up.

Jose Martinez was a mistake.

Gordon and Kennedy are mistakes in hindsight, though the Kennedy deal was questioned widely when it happened. Gordon’s was not.

Both of those were attempts to maximize contention window in 16 and 17. Kennedy paid off expectations in 16, though the rest of the team did not.

It’s easy to critique the Gordon deal in hindsight but intellectually dishonest to act like it looked like a bad deal when completed.

duncan_idaho 05-17-2018 04:26 PM

And as for deadline returns ... they’ll get some useful pieces but will need more of a scouting win type to really make it pay off.

Teams just don’t pay for rentals like they used to. Prospects are too valued now. Herrera should fetch a fringe 100 prospect type. That can boom into much more, quickly.

Seuly Matias is a great example of that type of guy. He made one top 100 coming into this year and is almost assuredly going to be on all of them next time around.

SAUTO 05-17-2018 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13560115)
Flags fly forever.

I'll take one ring over all the successful seasons the Indians have had over the past 2-3 decades.

8 days a week

For 2.5 seasons the royals played the best ball of any team in baseball

Pitt Gorilla 05-17-2018 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13559982)
Two pennants and a championship ring.

Yeah, they couldn’t have done that without Kennedy.

Al Bundy 05-17-2018 05:17 PM

I bet this weekend we start seeing the Blue Spring's Yankees fans once again.

jimidollar 05-17-2018 06:20 PM

By how much will the Yanks outscore the Royals this weekend? 10? 15? 20? 25?

siberian khatru 05-17-2018 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimidollar (Post 13560274)
By how much will the Yanks outscore the Royals this weekend? 10? 15? 20? 25?

I put the over/under on Yankee home runs this weekend at 10.5.

lewdog 05-17-2018 07:00 PM

I haven't been this embarrassed by a team since I was a fan of the Chiefs.

duncan_idaho 05-17-2018 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13560179)
I bet this weekend we start seeing the Blue Spring's Yankees fans once again.


You spelled Johnson County wrong.

DeepSouth 05-17-2018 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13559804)
Can anyone point to many moves by Moore that have worked out in recent years? It seems to me that anytime he does something, the exact opposite turns out to have been a better choice.

One of the best trades Moore ever made was;
On July 20, 2012, Guthrie was traded to the Royals for left-handed starter Jonathan Sánchez.
2012 through 2014, Guthrie may have been the best starting pitcher the Royals had.

Coach 05-17-2018 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13559852)
Those are alright I suppose, but to me the failures far outweigh the successes.

- Giving away Jose Martinez for nothing.
-Not trading Duffy
- Signing Gordon and Kennedy
- Horrible in the draft

I really hope I'm wrong, but despite having 4 top 40 picks I have absolutely no faith in any substance coming from this draft. I also have little faith in getting any substantial return at the trade deadline.

The part in bold is the one that really pisses me off the most. How could he think that Martinez wasn't going to amount much in the MLB, considering he has put up solid numbers in Omaha and in the minors?

OKchiefs 05-18-2018 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 13560423)
The part in bold is the one that really pisses me off the most. How could he think that Martinez wasn't going to amount much in the MLB, considering he has put up solid numbers in Omaha and in the minors?

More than solid, I believe he had one of the best seasons ever in that league.

duncan_idaho 05-18-2018 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 13560423)
The part in bold is the one that really pisses me off the most. How could he think that Martinez wasn't going to amount much in the MLB, considering he has put up solid numbers in Omaha and in the minors?


Context makes it easier to understand.

He was in an independent league in 2014. 2015, he has a great season at Omaha and hit for a high average, but without a lot of power. He was a 6-6 guy who can only play an adequate 1B and who had not shown the power expected of a 1B.

He started the 2016 season in Kansas City’s system and had a large drop off (.298/.356/.433) before they traded him.

He got to St. Louis, changed his swing to get more loft on the ball, started hitting juices baseballs full time, and maybe found some juice himself. (Classic profile of a guy who dopes to make sure his career doesn’t end).

It still was a mistake - this organization is too biased against players who don’t fit the classic ball player mold - but is not like they traded him off the .384 season he had in 2015. He backed it up with 150 ABs of AAAA-looking “meh” in 2016 before the deal.

KChiefs1 05-18-2018 03:54 PM

Mahomes throwing out the first pitch tonight.

BWillie 05-18-2018 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13560332)
You spelled Johnson County wrong.

There is a much higher percentage of Royals fans in Johnson County versus any Missouri counties in the KC metro. Waaay more Cards fans IMMEDIATELY once you get to the Missouri side.

BWillie 05-18-2018 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13561450)
Mahomes throwing out the first pitch tonight.

Chiefs QB Mahomes blowns arm out during first pitch.

Chiefs sign veteran Matt Cassell to 1-year deal

Titty Meat 05-18-2018 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13561460)
There is a much higher percentage of Royals fans in Johnson County versus any Missouri counties in the KC metro. Waaay more Cards fans IMMEDIATELY once you get to the Missouri side.

Maybe because St Louis is in Missouri?

duncan_idaho 05-18-2018 08:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13561460)
There is a much higher percentage of Royals fans in Johnson County versus any Missouri counties in the KC metro. Waaay more Cards fans IMMEDIATELY once you get to the Missouri side.

Edit: little sloshed after a long week. Don’t need to bring state line bs into this fine thread.

Coach 05-18-2018 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13560684)
Context makes it easier to understand.

He was in an independent league in 2014. 2015, he has a great season at Omaha and hit for a high average, but without a lot of power. He was a 6-6 guy who can only play an adequate 1B and who had not shown the power expected of a 1B.

He started the 2016 season in Kansas City’s system and had a large drop off (.298/.356/.433) before they traded him.

He got to St. Louis, changed his swing to get more loft on the ball, started hitting juices baseballs full time, and maybe found some juice himself. (Classic profile of a guy who dopes to make sure his career doesn’t end).

It still was a mistake - this organization is too biased against players who don’t fit the classic ball player mold - but is not like they traded him off the .384 season he had in 2015. He backed it up with 150 ABs of AAAA-looking “meh” in 2016 before the deal.

But 150 AB's of AAA (or AAAA) is too small of a sample size to truly evaluate a player after having a .384 season. Even finishing at .298/.356/.433 after having a great 2015 season, (which is probably his normal type of a slash line), is still an improvement over some players that is currently on the Royals roster.

Duda is .256/.317/.398/.716 and the Royals are paying him $3.5 million.
Cuthbert is .194/.282/.301/.583
Almonte is .205/.256/.342/.599

Hell, even Orlando is bad as .191/.224/.234/.459

All that, while Martinez is slashing .304/.382.459/.842, and is only making a paltry $560,400.

Sometimes it's just frustrating to see that some players who does well in the minors, doesn't get rewarded (like Martinez) as they should have (like Whit Merrifield, who I been pounding the table on for quite some time). The Royals could have easily able to cut payroll, and still get equal or better performance, instead of signing Lucas Duda.

And they're too biased on trying to get power hitters, whereas they need to start finding players who has a high contact rate and can utilize the whole field.

duncan_idaho 05-18-2018 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 13561748)
But 150 AB's of AAA (or AAAA) is too small of a sample size to truly evaluate a player after having a .384 season. Even finishing at .298/.356/.433 after having a great 2015 season, (which is probably his normal type of a slash line), is still an improvement over some players that is currently on the Royals roster.

Duda is .256/.317/.398/.716 and the Royals are paying him $3.5 million.
Cuthbert is .194/.282/.301/.583
Almonte is .205/.256/.342/.599

Hell, even Orlando is bad as .191/.224/.234/.459

All that, while Martinez is slashing .304/.382.459/.842, and is only making a paltry $560,400.

Sometimes it's just frustrating to see that some players who does well in the minors, doesn't get rewarded (like Martinez) as they should have (like Whit Merrifield, who I been pounding the table on for quite some time). The Royals could have easily able to cut payroll, and still get equal or better performance, instead of signing Lucas Duda.

And they're too biased on trying to get power hitters, whereas they need to start finding players who has a high contact rate and can utilize the whole field.


I think the bias is in trying to get guys who are too much of a classic mold more than anything else.

It was a mistake, no doubt. They didn’t get much for him and didn’t HAVE to move him.

Just was providing a little context.

dlphg9 05-18-2018 09:19 PM

Dayton is a dipshit who lucked into a WS

Chiefspants 05-18-2018 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 13561820)
Dayton is a dipshit who lucked into a WS

Nah. He had a clear plan, and it worked. Where he got lucky was that his bounce back, grit and high character acquisitions, (Wade Davis, Morales, Chris Young, Edinson) all came together to kickass in the same year. These types of signings, who more than often flame out for Moore (and Wade even did as a starter) all boosted his homegrown Latin American and Draft heavy team to the promised land.

His core was definitely a product of his scouting and plan of action, however. Now, whether he can adjust to the modern rules of the game remains to be seen, and with his performance so far, the leash needs to be shortening.

BigCatDaddy 05-18-2018 10:03 PM

The GM that helped fast track us to a WS title was Scott Pioli.

Bufkin 05-18-2018 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13560143)
And as for deadline returns ... they’ll get some useful pieces but will need more of a scouting win type to really make it pay off.

Teams just don’t pay for rentals like they used to. Prospects are too valued now. Herrera should fetch a fringe 100 prospect type. That can boom into much more, quickly.

Seuly Matias is a great example of that type of guy. He made one top 100 coming into this year and is almost assuredly going to be on all of them next time around.

Can the same be said for Khalil Lee? I’m a huge fan of this kid but haven’t heard much on him since the off-season.

Chiefspants 05-18-2018 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13560143)
And as for deadline returns ... they’ll get some useful pieces but will need more of a scouting win type to really make it pay off.

Teams just don’t pay for rentals like they used to. Prospects are too valued now. Herrera should fetch a fringe 100 prospect type. That can boom into much more, quickly.

Seuly Matias is a great example of that type of guy. He made one top 100 coming into this year and is almost assuredly going to be on all of them next time around.

Even with the reduced returns, Moore has showed he's willing to take risks and still get a promising player in return. The Wade for Soler trade, while panned by many (including my dumbass) has the potential to end up being a major win for KC. One major lament was that had Wade not got hurt, the return would have been exponentially higher even if the deal was made 6 months earlier - but Soler just might prove to be good enough that even this analysis would be woefully incorrect.

tk13 05-18-2018 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13561844)
Nah. He had a clear plan, and it worked. Where he got lucky was that his bounce back, grit and high character acquisitions, (Wade Davis, Morales, Chris Young, Edinson) all came together to kickass in the same year. These types of signings, who more than often flame out for Moore (and Wade even did as a starter) all boosted his homegrown Latin American and Draft heavy team to the promised land.

His core was definitely a product of his scouting and plan of action, however. Now, whether he can adjust to the modern rules of the game remains to be seen, and with his performance so far, the leash needs to be shortening.

It didn't help when MLB clamped down on the draft rules. Dayton had a lot of success going over slot and spending a bunch of money in the draft. I don't know if it actually plays out that way when you statistically hash it out, but it seems like this team hasn't drafted as well since that happened.

suzzer99 05-19-2018 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13558960)
I love Baseball, so I’ll keep watching. I obviously didn’t see this kind of collapse coming. Still surprised they’re this bad.

Still see the positives in Merrifield and Herrera and Moustakas developing max trade value for themselves, Soler emerging, Junis, Jason Adam, Brad Keller.

I’m excited to see Mondesi later this year, and possibly Staumont and Lovelady. And to see what happens in the draft.

They’ve been connected a lot recently to Jordyn Adams, a dynamic athlete with a football commitment to North Carolina (WR). He’s a crazy athlete win Buxton/Trout like physical skills.

Why does everyone think we have to trade Whit? Are we not supposed to be good again til 2023 at the earliest? That's depressing.

duncan_idaho 05-19-2018 06:17 AM

*** Official 2018 Royals Repository ***
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13561886)
It didn't help when MLB clamped down on the draft rules. Dayton had a lot of success going over slot and spending a bunch of money in the draft. I don't know if it actually plays out that way when you statistically hash it out, but it seems like this team hasn't drafted as well since that happened.

They struggled in the first few years of the new system. Much better results the past few years.


Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 13561820)
Dayton is a dipshit who lucked into a WS


The name of a dipshit is listed here, but isn’t “Dayton.”

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13561855)
Can the same be said for Khalil Lee? I’m a huge fan of this kid but haven’t heard much on him since the off-season.


Lee is having a strong campaign, too. He has drastically reduced his K rate while improving his walk rate and SB success. Wilmington has sapped his HR totals a bit, as it normally does.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 13561914)
Why does everyone think we have to trade Whit? Are we not supposed to be good again til 2023 at the earliest? That's depressing.


I don’t think they “have” to trade Merrifield. Return would have to be very strong. But he IS 29 and likely to be in a decline phase by 2021, when the team would be getting some of its promising next wave to the majors.

Still, though, if Soler can maintain this and Mondesi develops into a dynamic talent, Merrifield, Mondesi, Soler, and Perez might be something you can build around before 2021.

RealSNR 05-19-2018 10:15 AM

Do we have a prayer of getting a serviceable pitching staff (starting and bullpen) in the next two years? I worry about when the lone bright spots on the team like Merrifield and Soler won't be around

OKchiefs 05-19-2018 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13562142)
Do we have a prayer of getting a serviceable pitching staff (starting and bullpen) in the next two years? I worry about when the lone bright spots on the team like Merrifield and Soler won't be around

My fear is that 9/10 times it seems any SP prospect doesn't cut it as a starter and has to be a reliever. Good relief pitchers are nice, but our track record of developing starters is pretty bad.

duncan_idaho 05-19-2018 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13562142)
Do we have a prayer of getting a serviceable pitching staff (starting and bullpen) in the next two years? I worry about when the lone bright spots on the team like Merrifield and Soler won't be around


Sure. Duffy gets healthy, Junis continues to pitch at this level, Skoglund or Foster Griffin is a serviceable #5... and you’re a decent portion of the way there. That’s a rotation light on top end talent, though.

Bullpen future is bright, I think. Lovelady, Staumont, Adam, Hill is interesting.

Titty Meat 05-19-2018 02:45 PM

Lots of its in your statements Duncan. I also don't think Perez and Duffy will be as good by 2021.

BigCatDaddy 05-19-2018 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13562225)
Sure. Duffy gets healthy, Junis continues to pitch at this level, Skoglund or Foster Griffin is a serviceable #5... and you’re a decent portion of the way there. That’s a rotation light on top end talent, though.

Bullpen future is bright, I think. Lovelady, Staumont, Adam, Hill is interesting.

Are we thinking Karns is either done or a BP guy at this point?

Why Not? 05-19-2018 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13562330)
I also don't think Duffy will be as good by 2021.

As good as what, exactly?

BigCatDaddy 05-19-2018 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13562479)
As good as what, exactly?

The prior 7 years.

OKchiefs 05-19-2018 09:05 PM

Duffy said bury me a Royal, so let's bury him.

Titty Meat 05-19-2018 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 13562479)
As good as what, exactly?

They were the past few years. I've always thought arm problems would catch up with Duffy and he clearly looks not healthy. As for Sal there's an expectation date on catchers.

tk13 05-19-2018 09:54 PM

Pitchers can be up and down from year to year... look at Herrera this year. Duffy can bounce back. He's completely cratered his value though... which sucks because he's our most valuable trade piece. Even after the game tonight he almost acted like he should go to the bullpen.

tk13 05-19-2018 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13562620)
They were the past few years. I've always thought arm problems would catch up with Duffy and he clearly looks not healthy. As for Sal there's an expectation date on catchers.

Maybe, but Yadier Molina is still out here chugging along in his 15th year at age 35. I don't know if Sal can do that, but he's only 28 and he's still playing great. If it's 2020 or 21 before these young guys come up, Salvy could still very well be a productive player. And he's certainly a great influence for young pitchers.

I do think if you trade him you have to get a legit, legit return... not one of these things we're probably going to do with Moose where you trade for someone's 15th best prospect. Otherwise you're better off hanging on to him and selling a few jerseys and giving the fans a favorite player to come to the park and see. At this rate he might have his number out there between the 10 and 20 on the HOF someday.

tk13 05-20-2018 01:58 AM

Also, pay attention to what the Rays are doing. They started Sergio Romo today, the relief pitcher. He pitched the 1st inning against the top of the Angels lineup, struck them all out, then turned the game over to the "starter" for the 2nd inning. It worked so well they're going to do it again today, so Romo will start two days in a row. It guarantees one of your best relievers faces the big bats on top of the order.

ChiTown 05-20-2018 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13562620)
They were the past few years. I've always thought arm problems would catch up with Duffy and he clearly looks not healthy. As for Sal there's an expectation date on catchers.

People keep saying this “he clearly looks unhealthy..” I don’t see it. He clearly sucks ass right now, and he’s battling himself on the mound. That’s what I clearly see. If he were injured the Royals would be shutting him down immediately. They have a lot invested into him. They aren’t going to keep running him out there in a season like this, just because. He’s got lots of talent, but he’s always been a head case. He’s got to get right in the head before he can get right on the mound, IMO

Al Bundy 05-20-2018 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13562776)
People keep saying this “he clearly looks unhealthy..” I don’t see it. He clearly sucks ass right now, and he’s battling himself on the mound. That’s what I clearly see. If he were injured the Royals would be shutting him down immediately. They have a lot invested into him. They aren’t going to keep running him out there in a season like this, just because. He’s got lots of talent, but he’s always been a head case. He’s got to get right in the head before he can get right on the mound, IMO

Did you catch Duffy's post game interview last night?

ChiTown 05-20-2018 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13562784)
Did you catch Duffy's post game interview last night?

No, I didn’t. What did I miss?

ChiTown 05-20-2018 06:31 AM

I just watched the video of his post game that is on the Royals site. Pretty good. Talks about the “phantom DL stint”. Lol. So many on CP were just flat convinced that he was injured. No, he’s not physically injured. He’s just a really shitty starting pitcher right now. He should be relegated to the pen until he gets his head right. It wouldn’t be the first time the Royals had to do this with Duffy.

Discuss Thrower 05-20-2018 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13562748)
Also, pay attention to what the Rays are doing. They started Sergio Romo today, the relief pitcher. He pitched the 1st inning against the top of the Angels lineup, struck them all out, then turned the game over to the "starter" for the 2nd inning. It worked so well they're going to do it again today, so Romo will start two days in a row. It guarantees one of your best relievers faces the big bats on top of the order.

Call me when managers start throwing their closers in a middle inning with the tying or winning run in scoring position and the top of the order is up.

duncan_idaho 05-20-2018 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13562380)
Are we thinking Karns is either done or a BP guy at this point?


TOS is looking like a career killer these days. Still hopeful he can be an exception but man, track record is really bad at present.

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13562804)
I just watched the video of his post game that is on the Royals site. Pretty good. Talks about the “phantom DL stint”. Lol. So many on CP were just flat convinced that he was injured. No, he’s not physically injured. He’s just a really shitty starting pitcher right now. He should be relegated to the pen until he gets his head right. It wouldn’t be the first time the Royals had to do this with Duffy.


Interesting. His velocity was down, but maybe it’s mechanical. Also looks like he has ticked up in the past 2-3 starts.

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13562330)
Lots of its in your statements Duncan. I also don't think Perez and Duffy will be as good by 2021.


Prayers can involve ifs.

CaliforniaChief 05-20-2018 09:02 AM

So the Braves are in 1st place and need a 3rd baseman. Let's make it happen, GMDM.

ChiTown 05-20-2018 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13562871)
TOS is looking like a career killer these days. Still hopeful he can be an exception but man, track record is really bad at present.




Interesting. His velocity was down, but maybe it’s mechanical. Also looks like he has ticked up in the past 2-3 starts.




Prayers can involve ifs.

It looked like Duffy’s FB was hitting 95+ at times last night. I have a buddy of mine who was a Minor League pitcher for a number of years who swears to Me that Duffy is tipping his pitches. That may be the case, but his pitch location has been extremely poor all year, regardless of whether he is tipping or not.

suzzer99 05-20-2018 10:36 AM

The best outfield in Royals history https://www.royalsreview.com/2018/5/...royals-history

https://i.imgur.com/KeKqg5c.png

tk13 05-20-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 13562876)
So the Braves are in 1st place and need a 3rd baseman. Let's make it happen, GMDM.

They're clearly the best place for Moose, if they're interested. They just cut Jose Bautista today.

They do have a 3B prospect sitting at AAA right now. That might be Dayton's biggest obstacle depending on what the Braves are thinking about him.

dlphg9 05-20-2018 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13561958)
The name of a dipshit is listed here, but isn’t “Dayton.”

Hey that's not nice. I have a ton of respect for you. Don't take my criticism of Dayton Moore so personal. The guy had so many years of suck and had a ton of high draft picks. He lucked into one of the best bullpens in history. Without that bullpen we don't have 2 WS appearances and 1 championship. The guy is loyal to a fault holding on to trash players for way too long. Picking Almonte over Manaea. Also I'm just throwing this out here but can anyone guarantee that we needed to trade for Cueto and Zobrist? Do we not win a world series if we don't have them? Honestly I'm glad we did it. I cried after they won the World Series, but I don't give much credit to DM or Yost for those wins.

I'm not looking to get people all over my ass with this post either since I'm sure it will be very unpopular

dlphg9 05-20-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13562974)
They're clearly the best place for Moose, if they're interested. They just cut Jose Bautista today.

They do have a 3B prospect sitting at AAA right now. That might be Dayton's biggest obstacle depending on what the Braves are thinking about him.

Let's trade Moose for that 3B prospect lol. Then they don't have to worry about Moose taking his playing time.

DanT 05-20-2018 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13562748)
Also, pay attention to what the Rays are doing. They started Sergio Romo today, the relief pitcher. He pitched the 1st inning against the top of the Angels lineup, struck them all out, then turned the game over to the "starter" for the 2nd inning. It worked so well they're going to do it again today, so Romo will start two days in a row. It guarantees one of your best relievers faces the big bats on top of the order.

The idea of starting the game with a short-innings pitcher who would go until he was due up to bat was something that was described in a 1972 Sports Illustrated article about an innovative analyst, someone who had gotten the attention of Ewing Kauffman. Recall that the DH rule was not adopted by the AL until the next year. Here's an excerpt from that article.

https://www.si.com/vault/1972/03/06/...-and-never-was
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Originally Posted by March 6, 1972 SI article, "It ain't necessarily so, and never was"
•In each game, a reliever should start, go two or three innings and come out for a pinch hitter his first time up. He would be followed by a starter type, who would go about five innings, batting the first time he came up, but going out for a pinch hitter his second time up. Another short man would finish the game. This sounds revolutionary, but essentially the only difference is that the "starter" appears in the middle of the game instead of at the beginning.

The normal odds are 3 to 1 against a pitcher throwing a complete game. "So why try?" Cook asks. "To have a shot at a no-hitter? The percentage system—two innings, then five innings, then two innings—not only puts better hitters into the lineup more often, it removes a pitcher before he is likely to get into trouble, not afterward." Two years ago Cook produced figures showing that the Kansas City Royals would have picked up 54 additional runs over the season by employing pinch hitters regularly for pitchers and could have reduced their opponents' scoring against them by 35 runs by working the best relievers more often. That is a net gain of 89 runs—at no expense, with no upheaval. Cook has even worked up a chart showing the optimum staff rotation in this system. "All that is necessary is to convince one manager and four starting pitchers," he says wistfully. He really wants to help. Any .500 team that adopted real percentage baseball would, he claims, automatically become an even-money bet to make the World Series.

At least one baseball man is finally paying Cook some heed. Ewing Kauffman, the progressive owner of the Royals, keeps a copy of Percentage Baseball on his desk. He flew Cook to Kansas City for a day of talks last year. Shortly after Kauffman met with Cook, a banker named Bill Welsh approached the owner with the idea of feeding Royals data into a computer. "My conversation with Cook had made me far more receptive to such a notion than I otherwise would have been," Kauffman says. "Baseball is full of traditions and myths that won't stand up to analysis. Cook challenges them."


ChiTown 05-20-2018 01:26 PM

Every single starter for the Royals not named Jake Junis ****ing sucks.

This Staff is ****ing pathetic


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