There is certainly still a lot of that Chiefs loser mentality going on here...the HOPE of that 1st rounder is better than guaranteed goods on a team that has a shot.

Absolutely.

Ok

50 years, no Super Bowls.

Absolutely sound thinking.

How long is this window going to be open? If you don't strike when you can do something you will sit there with your dick in your hand.

Touche

How's that worked out for Seattle?

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Good teams find ways to make the cap work ALL THE TIME. It's nothing but an excuse here.

Because Chiefs.

Some teams are good at evaluating certain positions...Green Bay can't draft a RB for shit, the Steelers are great with WRs. This team has been good at offensive talent in general..

What makes you think they can evaluate defensive talent? What pick tells you they know what they are doing? This team is full of 2nd and 3rd rounders who suck or don't even play.

You give me a Super Bowl title and another appearance...that's more than I've seen in my 37 years of life so a **** ton more than this team has.

:clap:

To be fair, Seattle hasn’t drafted for shit in the past few years. That team was built from 2010-2012 in terms of drafting.

I've waited my entire life for it, so if it wins a SB go for it.

But I'd prefer to see a Pats like dynasty if we are being wishful.

Also I don't think Seattle planned for Kam Chancellor and Cliff Avril to have career ending injuries either, you know shit happens so they got their bowl before that happened.

Yeah, from drafting.

Once they started throwing picks at players later, it went to shit.

Don't you think it's a little insane when the team hasn't been to a bowl in 50 years and some people are thinking about being a Pats dynasty more than making it to 1?

We've won ONE playoff game - ONE - since I was in college. My oldest child is getting ready to go to freaking college.

The "dynasty" talk needs to stop. It's absolutely silly.

Yes, Patrick Mahomes could be the cornerstone of a dynasty.

But this year is special, even by Tom Brady/Peyton Manning standards. If you're not going to go all in this year to win it all, might as well not even try. That's chickencaca thinking.

Not my point.

The picks that they did have, especially early, sucked ass. Not even average contributors in many spots.

They put the icing on the cake in FA the year they won it all.

We haven't been past the divisional round of the playoffs in damn near 30 years and you guys are ready to go all in on a SB this year.

The core of our team - the offense - was built through the draft. Free agency/trades should be used to finish off that last little bit, which is exactly what Earl Thomas would be.

It's just the randomness of it. I'm all about giving myself as many chances to win as I can.

Yea cause the conference is wide open right now, do you realize having 1 playmaker on this defense may be the difference in winning in the playoffs?

If that middle isn't wide open that's a huge thing.

And you want to avoid going all in because it might prevent them from being a "dynasty".

Seriously man, think about what you are saying.

Well I will say Veach was hired for his scouting prowess. At least we’d have 2 2nd rd picks next year.

Hopefully in this scenario Justin Houston takes a paycut.

Like I said last night:

When you're up $50 on the nickel slots, you freaking cash out and go somewhere else.

The guys that sit at the slot machine and put in more nickels don't end up with more money, they end up BROKE.

We need some more fat ass OLB's that run like they are stuck in the sand.

When has going all in ever worked though in this sense?

I don't have a problem trading for someone. But I'm not giving up a high pick and a big new contract to do it.

I’d mortgage the future for a substantial increase in SB probability.

When has stockpiling picks and playing for next year ever worked for the Chiefs?

Did you see our pass rush last year?

Giving up a 1st for Earl Thomas will look silly when we let Ford walk, have no real resource to replace him and watch QB’s have all day to destroy our all-pro safeties.

Yep, me too.

How much of the future are you even mortgaging? You are trading a pick for a DB..you're likely drafting at least one if not 2 DB's...Thomas is proven and this team has 18 million of dead money coming off after this year a long with several big money contracts.

Why does it matter if they trade for Thomas or sign a FA other than Thomas can help right ****ing now when we are a contender.

I have no problem capitalizing on our opportunity, but there's a limit. I absolutely would not give up our first round pick for a 29 year old expensive safety that would require a new contract. I also don't understand this defeatist attitude about our ability to draft defensive talent. I agree we haven't been great, but that doesn't mean you give up. If anyone really thinks that Veach is incapable of improving at finding defensive talent then he absolutely has to go. Either you trust the guy to find talent in the draft and continue to build the team or you don't. Over paying on trades isn't the answer.

They most likely get a conditional 3rd for him even if they just let him walk next year. Plus, they could tag and trade him as well.

It will take a 2nd+ to get him.

Yea this front office sucks ass at picking pass rushers.

Dee Ford, Kpass, Breeland Speaks

that's a 1,2,2 I will bet anything you wanna bet Earl Thomas is more productive for the rest of his career than all 3 of them are combined.

QBs already have all day.

And still the reason they are getting carved up is because our safeties are constantly out of position.

Earl Thomas fixes THE huge gaping hole in this defense and it's not even close.

Plus, if they need pass rush so bad, why would you trust them to draft it? Speaks and KPass aren't doing squat. Great picks.

Damn. A lot of angst over a throwaway tweet by Mortenson and Reid denying interest today. It's just meh unless it comes out that we are in fact working on a trade. Guess I just don't see Thomas in the same way some of you guys do.

The whole future, of course. The team will fall apart if they don't have those extra draft picks.

And you know, Clark is cheap but please don't spend his money!

NOBODY is suggesting they give up.

It's ONE pick. :facepalm:

I gotta log off.

30 years to get our franchise QB, he's playing like no other QB ever has in the history of football, and "there's always next year".

This place! ROFL

I’m in total agreeance. It’s a need, one that we could utilize right now and the cost to acquire isn’t absorbent. This should have been done yesterday.

Because we only have our 1st round pick next year? We don't have any picks after that?

It’s only a few, not everyone is a tiger.

I don't understand this. Pioli and Carl and Herm and Marty and whomever else are not haunting the franchise. Why does everyone think that we can't build a sustainable, long term contender because we're the Chiefs?

If teams like Pittsburgh and New England and Green Bay etc., can do it after they find their franchise QB, then we can do it too.

TRADE FOR THE SAFETY AND GIVE HIM A NEW CONTRACT NOW!!

The Patriots built a dynasty because Brady takes his pay under the table.

I would rather have an all pro player in his prime over a pick for sure. I'm not sure how long Thomas will stay in his prime but if it would last the life of the contract, sure, lets do it.

If it was guaranteed that you would get his prime for 3 years here....would you do it?

Yeah for sure.

We're talking about the defense.

What exactly has Reid and company done to convince you they're actually capable of fixing the defense through the draft?

Of course. Seahawks have to agree to a trade, Thomas has to agree to a new contract, and we have to assume he plays at a high level into his thirties. Lots of moving parts there.

You sure???!?!?!

Drafts bust every year, this is a known commodity. Trade the pick, pay the man his fair value. Sit back and enjoy the show.

I guess an important question would be , Is adding one player to our defense going to make enough of a difference? I'd give a 2nd and throw in some other pick but I wouldn't give a 1st or even two 2nds. If it doesn't work out then we didn't win it all and have less capital to rebuild this defense and to keep stocking the o line for our Franchise QB. With Mahomes were looking at a 15 year window so there's no need to make desperation moves.

Was Denver all in when they acquired Manning?

Seahawks could very well want more than a 1st rounder. They want to be "blown away", whatever that means.

He's already at $10 million a season....which puts him at #6 on the highest paid safeties. Offer him a 3 year extension. His cap hit would be $8.5 million for us this year. Offer him a mid level cap hit next season, a high cap hit in year 2 and a cap hit in year 3 that we can maybe get out of. Berry will be gone by year 2 of his extension anyways.

Not really a similar situation, but ok.

If Reid, Veach et al can't draft well and Mahomes' career is going to be wasted playing for teams that don't have enough talent, then they should be replaced.

There's no reason why we can't succeed where the franchises that are the class of the league have done so. There's no reason why the Chiefs should not be one of the franchises that are the class of the league that are more or less a perennial contender. We have the elite QB now and we will have him for the next decade at least.

Why would we set our sights so low? Because people who've been gone for 20 or 30 years didn't get it done way back when?

The year is 2015 and some trade rumors for Zobrist and Cueto start circulating.....

"You can't trade Aaron Brookes, Sean Manaea, Brandon Finnegan, John Lamb, and Cody Reed! It will set the Royals back years!"


Haha... there you go htismaqe. ;)

They blitzed and got burned badly

Scott Pioli drafted the best defensive players on this team..think about that.

Why would I think about that? Scott Pioli is long gone and is irrelevant to the people in the front office and on the team today.

It's an example of how shit this team has been at drafting defensive talent.

ROFL

What does any of that have to do with this year?

At this rate, they are well on their way to wasting one of the best years by a QB in the history of football.

Replacing Veach, drafting help, all of that crap doesn't help them now. And they should be doing EVERYTHING it takes to help them now.

Absolutely yes.

Replacing Eric Murray with Earl Thomas makes an instant contender to win it all.

Say that we trade our 1st for Thomas......we still have two ****ing 2nd round picks this year that they can use to trade up if there is a player that they really ****ing want. Yeah sure...you could keep your 1st round pick and end up with 3 starters from the first two rounds. Or you could end up with two projects and a bust. It's all a ****ing crapshoot.

We KNOW what Earl Thomas is.

Veach better do something because his desire to ignore the secondary looks like the worst shit he could have ever done...oh and all of his front 7 moves, the 49ers were running the ball yesterday.

That's a better scenario this team really needs some proven players that still perform and their peak level.

Not much you can do when the 2 safeties you were counting on are hurt.

Eric Murray is a clear example of why Dorsey is overrated around here.

6.1ypc. :bolt:

They deserve at least partial blame for counting on people that were hurt in the first place.

Eric Berry is a brokedick? You don't say? He's only missed a crap ton of games his whole career...and thinking Dan Sorenson is a good starter is funny.

Matter of fact Earl Thomas actually doesn't miss games...amazing.

I am also a longshot to be a Chief.

Yeah Fuller and Scandrick have been turrribbbbbllleeee!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before yesterday&#39;s game, Chiefs CB Orlando Scandrick was rated #4 in CB success rate and #3 in yards per target among qualified CB&#39;s, per <a href="https://twitter.com/fboutsiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fboutsiders</a>.<br><br>Kendall Fuller was #14 in success and #10 in yards per target.<br><br>San Francisco&#39;s WR&#39;s had 92 yards on 14 targets yesterday.</p>&mdash; Craig Stout (@barleyhop) <a href="https://twitter.com/barleyhop/status/1044228583005327360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hell, I wish they'd have let them run the ball better earlier in the 2nd half. Had they done that a drive or two earlier we'd have won by 3 scores.

I wish we could trade Eric Berry for Earl Thomas straight up.

Actually Scandrick hasn't been that bad, Fuller is up and down....but those safeties are horrible hence why we are talking about Earl Thomas.