What is maddening to me is that they clearly wanted to shore up their defense by committing to Wong, yet with an outfield glut they discount price their most valuable and productive all around outfielder and then pay Jose Martinez for basically what they could have given Pham.

Yea Pham fortunately for him broke his foot towards the end of last season right after getting traded so he didn't much much time but to act like dude has been healthy for any stretch is a straight up lie.

BTW I called this potential collapse in late April, odd for someone who doesn't watch or understand the game eh?

Keep hanging off Carpenters junk though.

the fans down here dont like him at all. Bordering on hate. He evidently made fine comments about the Rays, fans, the stadium etc.
Etc.

BTW Voit has hit 13 HR for the Yankees. What a stupid trade THAT was. Spare me the Pham drama if you want to be pissed be pissed about that trade.

A starting power hitting 1st baseman for 2 middling relievers?

Ray's fans want that turd gone too ROFL ROFL

I'm streaming this in bed - I really like your announcers (tonight) ...much better than ours.

These aren’t Cardinals announcers, it’s the nationwide announcers for FOX my friend!

Hudson has actually strung together a few pretty decent starts. Only real blemish this month is when he allowed 8 runs, although 5 were unearned as he should have had 6 outs that inning.

Our announcers are pure dog shit. This is Fox national crew. The locals are the worst in the sport...

Dan sucks. Really depends on the color. I don’t mind Thompson, and Edmonds is among the best in the business.

Both trades were dumb sell-lows.

hes actually been good for 3/4 of his last starts. He’s figured out something. A regular ground ball machine lately.

I like Edmonds.

:facepalm:

Yes, right after he was traded from baseball heaven.

Lots of ball players are dicks.

Trash defense tonight - you all took advantage. We just can't seem to catch Philly. Oh well, I feel like next year will be a good shot for the Braves.

Its what happens when you put a young guy in the OF who hasn't played in the outfield. He will be fine though he is a hell of an athlete.

WTF is Carpenter doing standing on 1st base on a sac fly to left field that scores a runner from 3rd? They threw the ****ing ball to home.

And seriously they are debating Yadi's HOF worthiness?

yeah - great stick.

Hey guys, I've been away for a long time. Can someone tell me if the Chiefs fixed their shitty defense in the offseason?

Molina looks like an escapee from Leavenworth ROFLROFL

I thought the cardinals moved to LA and became the Rams....

And we wished you were dead.

Matheny Jr better get Hicks the **** out of here. Zero command tonight.

Jordan Hicks ****ing sucks. That is all.

You know what this team needs? A ****ing plane crash. 4321

This team sucks, can we fire mo?

And this is how we look now. Do we have to lose 30/36 before they make some changes?

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That's the first of three embarrassing defensive efforts in this game alone.

I don't know how many straight years I need to say it, but they have got to fire Mozeliak. In reality, they probably need an ownership change.

A rundown of Mozeliak's most recent trades:

Voit for Gallegos and Shreve

Since being traded, Luke Voit has provided 2.8 WAR and almost 30 HR in less than 400 PA appearances for the league minimum

Over that same period of time, Gallegos has been worth 0.3 WAR and Shreve produced an xFIP of 5.19 and -0.4 WAR over the 2018 season (part with NYY) before getting DFA'd and being shit in the minor leagues

Tommy Pham for Justin Williams, Genesis Cabrera, and some idiot named Roel Ramirez

Pham has been worth 4.6 WAR since Tampa acquired him. Justin Williams punched a TV in the offseason, and has hit .196 in 55 PA in AA this year. Cabrera has been a AAA punching bag before getting promoted to put some Febreeze over the shitpile that the trade has been, and Ramirez has a 5+ ERA in AA as a 24-year-old.

Paul Goldschmidt + 5 years, 130 million for Luke Weaver and Carson Kelly

Weaver has been worth 1.7 WAR in Arizona; Kelly 0.5 WAR in a timeshare behind the plate with above average offense.

Goldschmidt has been worth 1.0 WAR with the worst wRC of his career


In other acquisitions of recent vintage:

*Brett Cecil has been exiled to the 60-day DL to keep him away from the team and has produced 0.5 WAR for approximately $20 million
*Andrew Miller has produced -0.4 WAR after being given 8 figures a year as a reliever in his mid-30s with year-after-year decline
*Luke Gregerson produced 0.0 WAR for $10 million and was cut

After the one month post-Matheny bump, this team is under .500. Schildt showed his ass in September and has shown it further this month.

This team sucks and this organization needs a thorough evisceration.

Yikes. That’s rough when it’s all laid out like that.

Mozeliak’s biggest weakness, IMO, is that he always seems to be selling low and buying high.

Giving away Voit and Pham so quickly after being so doggedly tied to guys like Matt Adams or Kolten Wong or Michael Wacha is just inexplicable.

Even the 11 trade of Rasmus that keyed the WS run was a sell low situation.

The best thing Mozeliak has ever done is come in second in the bidding for Pujols. Fitting.

Do they dare trot Wacha out there again?

I ****ing bet he pitches all year long, same results

ALWAYS.

At his absolutely best he bought low and sold low w/ the Jay/Gyorko swap. And in FA he's no better; signing Fowler the year AFTER he could've gotten him for 1/3 the price even though he'd had a nice season in Chicago. Cecil had one of the worst years of his career - no matter, long-term deal for a !@#$ing reliever. Gregerson was CLEARLY on his way out of baseball and the Astros didn't even put him on their WS roster - so what? Multi-year pact.

He's bad, man. He's really really bad at this.

Looking forward to another weekend of bedshitting against the Cubs. Yay.

Baseball season can't end soon enough.

DJs boy Bruce Harper off to a .243 avg .475 slug start (118 wRC+).
Jorge Soler is .245 .495 (104 wRC+) for about $25M less.

'Bad' Harper is presently on pace for 100 runs, 120 RBI, 30 HRs, a .370 OBP, an .860 OPS and 5.4 WAR.

That's the BAD version of him. That's a version that's 80% comprised of one of the 3 worst stretches of his entire career and arguably his worst.

If you think a dude that averaged about 125Ks over a full season for the first 6 seasons of his career suddenly turned into a 225 K 'true talent' player, then yeah - this is what you'll get from him. If you think that his contact rates will eventually even out to the back of his baseball card and he'll combine those with hard hit numbers that rival his career best...well like I said, look out baseball.

Harper's the 3 hole hitter for a first place team on one of the most productive offenses in the league and I'm supposed to pretend like he's !@#$ing Jorge Soler. Riiiiiiigh.

How many ****ing base running mistakes is Fowler going to make this year?

his BS non-chalant play like he is too cool to play hard or even look like he is trying wore thin a long time ago.

There is no urgency on this team. Why should the players try when there are no consequences for not trying your best.

The manager doesn’t manage with any urgency.

The GM has no urgency, doesn't call up any of the clearly better pitchers in the minors.

The owner has no urgency since he has 2 WS trophies and making truckloads of money with ballpark village.

And in the interest of not being racist, Bader can suck a dick too. Has zero approach at the plate and takes way too many poor routes on balls because he overestimates his speed.

I'm not even mad about that phantom ball 4 call to Bader that pretty much won the game for the Cardinals. I'm just glad to turn that shitty ass game off no matter who won.

come on man, complaining about umpire calls late in the game?
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Take NH from my Pirates.

A catcher receiving a ball at eye level is clearly as bad of a call as the pitch that was "inside" on Bader when the umpire is lined up on the corner of the plate that the pitch was thrown and it was closer to the middle of the plate than the outside of the plate. :rolleyes:

I don't disagree. Complaining about single calls by umps is stupid. Derkinger got it wrong in 85 but we ****ed up a lot before then. We lost that game and WS. The umps didn't screw us. Your team was what......1-11 with men in scoring position? Seems to me that had more to do with your losing than this singe umpire ball and strikes call.

Already said I didn't care about it in the end. The Cubs are 3-33 or some shit with RISP over the last 5 or 6 games. That was the most boring ass game I've watched in a long time. Tonight isn't much different.

Flaherty has been hanging shit all night and Quintana can't throw strikes and its 2-2 with 8 combined hits. 11 combined hits last night in 10 innings. These arent even pitcher duels. Just 2 teams that cant hit shit right now.

Well, two nights in a row I got to watch the Cardinals beat the Cubs in bars filled with pissed off Cub fans.

I feel a little better now. :D

I hate the Brewers.

And our stupid, stupid hitters.

Marte is a certified nitwit.

Wellll we are in agreement then.... all of our teams are under performing. :)

I wouldn't say anyone is underperforming. I hear a lot of people saying the NL Central is the best division in baseball because it's so competitive. It's only competitive because every team is flawed and nearly the entire pitching staff on the Brewers is or has been on the IL. Got a division of average to slightly above average teams beating up on each other with no real stand out contender.

The thing that is amazing to me about the central is how the Reds have the 3rd best differential in the NL and in last place while the Pirates have a differential that you should expect from one of the worst teams in MLB and they are flirting with .500 baseball.

I think the Brewers are probably going to sign Kuechel and if they dont they are ****ing reeruned. They probably win this division again and if the Reds start getting production from guys like Puig and then get Gennett back I wont at all be surprised if they have a 2nd half surge and make in t real interesting at the end.

Fire mo

He said his job is to make Dewitt money. He's putting huge piles of cash in Dewitt's pockets. He's going no where.

This is what happens when your organization targets 90 wins. That's their goal.

There's no rope there at all. When you get 3 win Goldschmidt instead of 5 win Goldschmidt, then your entire starting staff fails to show, you end up with an 85 win team in pretty short order. And that's IF you finally figure out a solution to the rotation rather than just continue to ride flagging pitching.

This is why championship teams don't sit there thinking "eh, we're fine at 90 wins..." - no, they go trade for Gerrit Cole. Or they sign JD Martinez. They don't just target the minimum of what they need to do to make the post-season; they give themselves room for that potential stumble so they can either pull past it or flat out exceed it.

The Cardinals simply aren't as committed as the teams that are actually winning things right now.

LOL! I HEAR ya! I loved seeing the Stros, without Altuve, Springer & Correa, do that to the Cubs. Obnoxious Cub fan showed up in force, and had to watch hopelessly as their team couldn't even beat us with 3 of our best players out. ROFL

Schildt actually handles his starters worse than Matheny.

Wong saved his ass.

That was absolutely nuts.

WTF was the purpose? We have some actual good relievers on this team and...just...why?

I mean, there are 3 good relievers... 4 if you want to be generous and include Martinez. The rest are garbage.

And?

I didn't say we had 10 of 'em. But Brebbia, Gant and Hicks have been good. Hell, Gallegos has been shockingly effective (one of the best K rates in the league right now).

The real hell of it is that this club is spending roughly $19 million on lefthanded relievers and with 3 lefties up in 4 batters, we just left Wainwright out there to face them.

Because when it comes to lefty relievers - yeah, everything we have is complete trash.

yep.

WTF was that? 37 year old pitcher with 124 pitches. 1 run game. 2 runners on. 1 out. Bottom of the 8th. 2/3/4 hitters coming up including MVP hitters. You have proven relievers ready to go.

There is no scenario that it’s okay to allow that pitcher to throw another pitch. None. Doesn’t matter if it worked out. That’s more of that stupid Matheny managing. Have to trust my guys to get the out. :#

At least when I go to work tomorrow I get to be the abuser, instead of the abusee. :thumb:

I’m not saying leaving Wainwright in was the correct move at all, just saying the bullpen isn’t bulletproof either. Of the three “good” guys, Brebbia has already shown signs of overuse and Hicks has pitched like shit his last few outings.

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That is no shit. What an absolutely amazing catch at a huge time. Yea Waino gutted out 1,000,000 pitches but he shouldn't have had to.

That was like hitting on a 15 and getting a 5 when the house is showing a 6 in blackjack and then acting like you did the right thing because it worked out.

I've been being a complete douche to everybody this morning and really enjoying it. :)

Even as a Cubs fan that is hilarious LMAO

There is a substantial excerpt on The Ringer from a book about the Astros' development system and how their methods, initiated and delegated by Luhnow, of course, have totally lapped most of MLB.

Makes you hate Mozeliak even more.

when we got swept by the Cubs, I’m sure your co-workers were kind to you, right?

ROFL Enjoy!

Yeah I played hookey from work yesterday, but I’m going to work today talking Cardinals and Blues:). Petty Chicago sports radio was talking white sox instead Cubs(which they NEVER do). The only thing they said about the Cards series is that we were being silly about the KB thing. I gotta try and get this tweet to our local sports radio:)

According to the Braves announcers the Cubs are signing Kimbrell to a multi year deal.

Hope his ****ing arm falls off. 4321

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That seems quite steep at this stage of his career.

Jon heyman posting the same thing now. Numbers and years has to be correct.

Cause and effect or just happenstance?


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Make Mo fire Schildt then can his ass too...

Mo I’m there, not yet on Schildt. But, we were sold that he was going to be a different manager. Was going to use stats, the new baseball information to help make decisions.

Instead we just get the same lineups, players have to fail for weeks before any change. Pitching Waino was inexcusable. Carp staying at the top of the lineup batting .200 for 33% of the games. Running Wacha out there.

This stubborn Matheny BS that he has to trust his guys. :#

Hudson has actually been pitching pretty good for the last 4-5 games.

Absolutely.

We need to continue to whip up on the Cubs this weekend or you can just fold the tent.

Mo?

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