Oh, did this change? I thought that was always a thing.

Simple question.
Would you rather pay Dee Ford and Justin Houston 38 million dollars this year or.....
Pay Frank Clark and Alex Okafor 27 million dollars give or take?

Man if only we kept 29 so we can stroke our dicks over drafting a ****ing Center

Oh. I must've missed the years when we had a 23 year old reigning NFL MVP at QB.

Same old Chiefs indeed. Clearly.

People place way too much value on draft picks. That’s the only explanation for not liking this trade. The money is also irrelevant because you can work around that in pretty much any way you need or want to.

Well Bryan, much like the fabled lick count to the center of that Tootsie Pop, "the world may never know"....

And probably won't next year either I'm guessing.

1. Opportunity cost doesn't really apply when you're shooting pool blindfolded, flipping nickles, or picking late in a first round and you can't distinguish the players potentially available at your position from 2nd round talent. We might be able to trade up, but that would cost us more. The NFL is "win now" or stuff a sock in it.

2. It's hard to see a first round pick go when we didn't have one last year. It seems like a lot. The 2020 2nd is like turning the knife.

3. Clark is a monster and will likely have an immediate positive impact. There's no reason to really doubt that.

4. Unless I missed it, I have no idea what his contract is going to look like. That's a crucial factor.

Having said all that, this may actually be a pretty fair trade. Value for value in a position of need and (potentially) immediate contribution. Clark is a more "sure" bet than anyone we would probably pick in the first in this draft.

I don't award or subtract any Veach Power Points for this deal. I'll have to see the terms of the contract and its potential impact on Jones, Tyreek, Mahomes, etc.

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ROFL you're in a thread locking arms with OKChiefs and standing on the shoulders of one crazykirk! UChieffyBugger will be flying in to offer aerial support shortly!

You're gonna have guys like Fisher, LDT, Watkins, Hitchens etc being replaced with cheaper players. That's probably where you're money is going to come from.

That's one thing we're in agreement on here. Veach still has a lot to prove.

While i'm happy that we finally got an impact player (which i said i expected to get all along), he didn't exactly pull one on Seattle.

His compensation for both Ford and Peters was weak.

And his draft class thus far leaves a lot to be desired.

So far, he's no Dorsey.

By far the best Chiefs team (on paper) in my lifetime and people are constantly bitching.

What a time to be alive

No, as I said earlier, all these guys bitching about it are going to be lining up with tears of joy streaming down their face to suck Brett Veach's dick while he hoists the Lombardi over his head.

And ****ers better swallow. No spitting.

Okay Lil' Chiefy.

I'll fed ex you some tissues over the interior fatties we missed out on.

The Donks won their last SB because of an unstoppable defense player and a solid cast behind him.

Clark will have a better year than Vonn- plus Mahomes is way above Manning that year and well...any year.

You need that kind of guy on defense that goes out and punches them in the ****ing mouth play after play. Now we have him.

ROFL You laugh, but knowing "golden child"? That's probably the horse we would have rode out on.

You know what? I'm liking this trade more and more. In fact, the more I think about it, why not get two to three proven assets every year instead of going to the draft at all? We don't need those 4th, 5th, and 6th round scrubs, because our team ain't gonna' be nuthin' but PRIMO TALENT, BABY!

AND WHEN THAT CAP JUMPS UP TO 300 BILLION PER YEAR, BY GOD WE WILL BE THE GREATEST DYNASTY IN THE HISTORY OF TOASTED MARSHMALLOWS!

Love getting Clark. He will make a huge difference. Overpaid, but I love the fact the Chiefs are not sitting back and wasting another Mahomes year, which I think they did keeping Sutton on board.

Clark makes us the AFC favorite. We still need a CB maybe two and could use a LB upgrade, which will not happen in the draft unless we reach.

5 Yrs, 105M with a potential opt-out at year 3.

Reports have been that this has no impact on Chris Jones and the Chiefs and his agents are still working a contract that will pay him $20M annually.

And Mahomes? LMAO NOTHING is getting in the way of a Mahomes contract. They'll cut this whole ****ing roster before they let him walk, so he's not even a part of the "What-if" equation.

Reek's off field drama is reason enough to let him play it out, then tag him next O/S and work on his contract then. At that point, they can give him Watkins' money.

dumb post is dumb.

Anyone care to answer??????????

This is like when khali mack went to the bears. Just watch our defense with this offense = super bowls.

I agree with most of this. Not sure you can compare Clark and Von yet.

You’ll have to excuse me for that, the Rangers just got a top 2 pick for the first time since *checks calendar*...1966. So, I’m pretty hyped for my man Kaapo Kakko :D

I’ll change it since you’re a sweetie, though.

We can live with these corners. I think. I hope.

Some LB's and a safety next to Tyrann are of dire need though.

My take is that the compensation is one thing, but in this defense, Clark is going to be a STUD.

Dee Ford cannot lineup in a 6 tech. People tend to use the term "Edge" rusher and discount how schematically different players are...

And everyone said the Raiders fleeced the Bears. Maybe if they're lucky, they can spend the top pick they spent all year sucking for to get a Khalil Mack.

Or you could be extremely leery of his past off the field issues considering what we've been putting up with in recent years.

Clark will have a better year than Von? Ha! Look I am excited about this guy but let's be realistic here.

We needed help on the dline and we got it. So I am happy for that but it remains to be seen if this will be a good trade/signing. Lets not forget how excited everyone was when J Houston/Eric Berry got signed.

Separate issue though.

The value may not be what we wanted, but in the end, we have an impact player.

Impact players make championships. Not un-used assets.

You're not going to be aggressive shopping like a bitch.

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There's quite a few on there that won't be around in 2/3 years.

Yeah don't forget Schwartz. So now you've effectively made our o line swiss cheese.

Anyone seen Chris Long on twitter today? He's been breaking down the move pretty well.

Dude, ONE DRAFT, in which he did not have a first round pick (because Mahomes), and he got a solid starter Nnadi, one other player who was a solid rotational player in Speaks (though out of position in a 3-4), Your probable starting Will in O'Daniel, an excellent returner/developmental corner in Smith, a Safety who was looking like a bonafide starter before injury in Watts, and you want to say he's a shit drafter?

We don't know yet. To proclaim all this bullshit you're spewing just makes you look like a reactionary fool.

Isn’t Watkins contract set up so that we can release him for a massive chunk of space after this season?

There's been several Chris Long tweets posted in this thread.

He’s significantly better with money than Dorsey to this point. Don’t forget that while Dorsey was better drafting, his first draft was shit at this point in time in his tenure.

I don’t think Ford and Peters trades were Veach’s fault. It was the hard truth. If they were worth 1st rd picks, they would have had more suitors.

A one dimensional pass rusher who is constantly hurt is not worth a first. A raging lunatic is not liked in locker rooms by GM’s. That’s why hardly any team wanted Peters.

I don't really buy the "he got shitty value for Ford and Peters" thing as much. Teams will give what they'll give. If they couldn't get anyone to bite for more, doesn't that say more about said players?

I was going by last year.

What it really comes down to is Clark over Ford. If you watch their highlight tapes from last year...yeah the stats are close- but the players are WAY different. I liked Ford, but he never had that nasty streak.

Yes

He will be gone after this season.

Or mac & cheese. You forgot mac & cheese.

If you want excellent mac & cheese, you better damn well be prepared to drop some serious coin on the cheese.

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He's never seeing Year 3 in that format. Either they get rid of Tyreek and he's getting a reworked deal, or he's getting cut in the winter.

Dude these corners are going to suck so much shit it's ****ing depressing. And the draft does NOT hold promise at this point. D-line was deep, CB not so much.

Chiefs LB's and CB's = dog turds sucking gnat shit sucking germ jizz.

Could the Rams do any better this year?

Does anybody really think the 49ers could next year?

No, his first draft was not shit. In Hindsight he probably picked the best player in the top 10-15.

And, uhm, better with money? LMAO Dafuq? You cray cray.

Did you not see what he's about to pay Clark? What he paid Tyrann? What he paid Watkins?

Dude....

Sure, that's why you have to constantly be drafting and developing. Signing guys, developing them etc.

The **** are you talking about? There will be CBs in rounds 2 or 3 that we can draft that will be just fine.

This.

If we don't get Clark, what are we doing with all the cap space we just freed up by getting rid of Berry, Houston, and Ford?

Is it better to sign Hill and Ford to extensions and frontload their contracts or go out and add another defense playmaker?

If you're a team on the cusp of a Super Bowl, the only fireable offense would be standing pat and focusing on extensions.

Veach's contracts are all basically around 3 years that the team can escape from with little dead space.

We just spent this offseason dumping some of Dorsey's contracts.

Houston and Ford could not stop the Pats from driving down the field on us in Overtime. Ford cost us big in that game with his lack of game awareness.

I don't give a shit about the stats- they could Not get it done when it counted.

I guess we will see if these guys can soon enough.

:rolleyes:

Yeah. I have little faith in our DB's too. But i don't see ANY corner in this draft that i thought would be an immediate impact player. They all have holes in their game. My dick weighs more than Greedy Williams.

And like i said before, a "deep" DL class doesn't mean shit for a team picking at 29. All it means is that more DL will go early. It doesn't mean an elite prospect will be there when we pick.

So Clark got Houston's money. 5 years younger and about as good as the 25 yr old Houston much less the 30 yr old version.
Mathieu got 14mil of EB's 16-17 mil for 3 games.
Tell me again how the Chiefs are so screwed.

I’m talking about at that time. At this time in Dorsey’s tenure his first draft was proclaimed to be utter shit.

Fisher struggled his first season and Kelce had never even played a snap bc he was on IR.

The point is that we need more time. We need to see what Veach’s 2018 draft will look like with a year under their belt.

BRETT VEACH TRADES AWAY OUR DRAFT PICKS!

BRETT VEACH CAN'T DRAFT WELL!

BRETT VEACH SPENDS OUR CAP ROOM ON FREE AGENTS!

BRETT VEACH SHOULD HAVE SAVED CAP ROOM TO SPEND IT ON OTHER FREE AGENTS!

BRETT VEACH HATES CONTRADICTORY ARGUMENTS!

DERP A DERP DERP

Why thank you!

The statement was more about how this team gives away picks for the promise of a great player.

Yes, we have Mahomes and it's great. The first real franchise quarterback this team has ever drafted.

As for the reference to the Broncos SuperBowl gift because of their defense, I would say that more luck than skill went into that victory. Especially how badly the Panthers were treated by the officials.

As a long time Missourian... SHOW ME!

yeah, definitely. and i think first and second round picks would probably help in such endeavors huh.

Great post!

Yep, check out our schedule - one of the toughest in the NFL with several great QB's. We needed some pass rush and a run stopper - Veech got this in 1 trade. Great Move.

Yup. Totally agreed. I really do not know much about Clark but a great DL would be super nice....

Corner situation is solid, but our linebackers are dog shit, yes.

I've already said he gets the benefit of developmental time for his picks, same as anyone else.

That doesn't mean I have to trust his judgment though.

And until proven otherwise, Veach without a 1st round pick may very well be a good if not GREAT thing. You don't get to **** many of those off, so maybe it's better for him to stick to round two on down for the sake of appearances and/or job security.

Good thing we still have 2 this year and 2 next to go with our new badass DE.

Eh. They need a corner that has speed plus and can cover without help. They don't have that right now.

They're going to be fielding 2 linebackers tops a lot of the time and one of the slots is already penciled in. I don't get the mega concern.

Eh.

Fuller is solid. We think. Though he struggled at times last season.

Ward is a small sample size. I thought Mitchel was the real deal in his small sample size. Many people thought Cooper was the real deal in his small sample size.

Truth is, Ward is an unknown.

And Breeland isn't really an upgrade over Nelson, despite the hive-mind narrative.

There's def some questions in the backfield.

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In the future, lead with this, so I know to ignore you.

Veach was making us trade firsts even when he wasn’t our GM

Who was that guy we moved up for in 2017 again????? I can’t even remember!!!!

Mahomes... you ****stick...

wow shit happens fast. He will end up better than probably whoever we would have picked in the 1st round this year but that is a huge contract.

What's important is that the DL is done.

We can spend the next few months discussing LB's and the secondary.

But at least we can have confidence that our DL is a legit contender caliber DL.

So would having a guy like Clark who can seal the edge and drive the runner inside help our team that has 2 slow ass LBers?

Did you just copy that from Chris Longs tweet?

On the plus side, we’re only going to retain 3 starters from the opening roster of last year’s D: Jones, Hitchens, and Fuller.

Total, to the studs rebuild of a tire fire.

We could have had a solid LT but no we rather have Mahomes. Are dumb or what.

I'd like to comment on that bolded part up there if you don't mind, Mr. Detoxing. I'll remind you that I currently have Veach underwater to the tune of negative 42.5 Veach Power Points, so I'm no groupie.

Regarding Peters, surely it was well known that he wanted out and he wanted out badly enough to demand exorbitant compensation, the right to play sans socks, ignore the defensive call, and/or walk off the field at will. Get what you can and be grateful.

As for Ford, he never really got off the ground until his contract year. Anybody would be forgiven for being skeptical about that dude's health. Maybe not his desire and raw talent, but he's had two (2) back surgeries that we know about and is a bit of a numbskull ... if not entirely numb.

Let's temper our venom with a nice, warm glass of Giant's Milk straight from the giant tittah here ...

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Saying this draft is not deep at CB is wrong.

It doesn't have high-end. There are a ton of corners though. Bunting could easily be better than, say...Deandre Baker.

That's probably why they went ahead and went balls deep on Clark; they just didn't see any immediate fix to either situation, and decided to bolster what they could to the best of their ability, which I have no problem with.

And not once have I disparaged Clark the player nor will I. He fills a need nicely and squares away our D-line for the year.

Corner situation is "quasi-hopeful" at best. LB's are, "god I hope this coaching staff can pull golden eggs from their anuses".

yeah. could have had 6 combining both years, but 4 is still nice for sure.