Oh, ok, I didn't know everybody appointed you judge AND jury. Carry on.

Injured kid. Known abusive man as a father. 3 year old kid with no knowledge of his dads history or even the implications of his words saying daddy did it.

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You're arguing with a guy who thought his trump card in the thread was explaining that he was a high school dropout and you probably never made it past elementary school. You could be arguing that the Earth is flat at this point and you would've already won.

The DA dropped the case before the audio...….a good lawyer will make mince-meat out of the audio, hell, any lawyer for that matter.

After the DA drops the case again, the NFL will suspend him 8 games. He will play for the Chiefs this year. The million dollar question is does he get a new contract ?

Most people I've known who have kept doomed and horrible relationships going have done so out of financial necessity. But even though Hill isn't making the superstar bucks, he is still a well paid professional athlete that can afford to shell out alimony and child support and live more than comfortably.

If only he'd just kicked her to the curb and filed for divorce. Whether he stayed because he loves her (or whatever passes for love in that toxic mess), or loves the child, or just wants to keep up appearances, or is so possessive of her that he doesn't want anybody else to have her, it was a huge mistake.

They aren't married yet AFAIK. Still fiancee.

It was sarcasm dumbass!

They're probably going to try to use the implications on that tape to turn them against one another while interviewing them.

And you are correct! The girlfriend says it on the audio. Had the kid said it to anyone of importance, I'm pretty sure Tyreek would really be in a world of hurt!

This is another fact which that JD fellow doesn't comprehend!

Both will have lawyers! This isn't Adam 12 man!!!

It is a fact that I comprehend and have answered, dumbass.

He asked the same stupid question before.

Well then, has ANYBODY heard the boy say "daddy did it?"

That would improve our chances of going to a SB.

Apparently CPS and investigators heard it, but at the time his fiance was defending Hill. So who knows what exactly was said to explain what or when their son said it, but the kid is in protective custody right now, so...

Y’all are out of your mind if you think he plays in KC again..

Christ, I would hope at this point that's EX-fiance. For the sake of everybody involved. Especially the child. Perhaps in time she could remarry a man who would act like an actual father to the kid.

I used to work with an attorney who married the ex of one of the 80s-era Bears - you'd all recognize his name. He was a horrible, shitty husband and father, probably as bad as Hill is alleged to be, if not worse. It just never made the news. The child has a far better relationship with the step-father, and has almost nothing to do with her real dad.

I just have a feeling once the audio gets thrown out.....the tide will turn once again!

Everything was fine before the audio. The audio will not stand up to a lawyers scrutiny. The DA will drop again. Bank on it!

Yeah, he's out, just don't like people hanging people in a court of public opinion, thats why we have courts? If we aren't innocent until PROVEN guilty, what the hell are we?

Pugs, you are too valuable to the CP community and level-headed to participate in this conversation. There is probably only one person who believes Hill will play for the Chiefs again and you've found him here and his real fear is changing his username.

Well, you certainly came to the wrong place.

I think when this is over you'll be picking a new user name.

Sooooo what??? It is a messed up union, for sure. But there is still NO EVIDENCE that Tyreek is a brutal child abuser. Other then his nut fiancé who has an agenda!

I'm surrounded by assholes here!

I'm here with you.

HA.

I'm not a girl like you, lolol!!!

Eh. I know I'm most certainly unfairly assuming based on hearsay from both on this website and completely separate from it. But it all matches up pretty well, and none of it makes Tyreek look good.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Laughing at you or with you?

Check the comments at the bottom after clicking the link. Seems most people are behind what the Chiefs are doing despite this woman's rantings.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/chiefs-...204342666.html

Chiefs' Clark Hunt says little, but speaks volumes about attitude toward Tyreek Hill

By: Shalise Manza Young,


Kansas City Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt tried on Saturday to rationalize, justify and otherwise excuse away the team’s handling of receiver Tyreek Hill, underscoring something that has become clear: His organization doesn’t care one whit about domestic violence, and that lack of caring starts at the top.

Meeting with media members, Hunt gave flimsy answers when asked about Hill, who is being investigated for child abuse by authorities in Johnson County, Kansas. Hill’s 3-year-old son with fiancee Crystal Espinal suffered a broken arm and authorities are trying to figure out who caused the injury.

Clark noted that the Chiefs have suspended Hill for the “foreseeable future,” but it’s not much of a suspension since organized team activities are voluntary.

Perhaps the most troubling thing Hunt said on Saturday was when he said drafting any player comes with risks.

“I think on any player you bring into the organization, there’s some element of risk. Could be his playing ability, could be things that distract him off the field, as well as any trouble that they get into. That’s a risk you take,” he said.

Comparing a second-round pick who is an on-field disappointment after three seasons to one who is being investigated for child abuse is ludicrous.

Almost as ludicrous: The Chiefs knew full well what they were getting when they drafted Hill in 2016. He had pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation in 2015, after an incident when he was at Oklahoma State.

Espinal, who was pregnant at the time, alleged that during an argument Hill punched her in the face and stomach and choked her.

When then-Chiefs general manager John Dorsey and coach Andy Reid drafted Hill in 2016, they said they were “very comfortable” with the decision.

Last week, Kansas City held a welcome-to-the-Chiefs news conference for pass rusher Frank Clark, who they acquired from Seattle in a trade and promptly signed to a contract with $63.5 million in guaranteed money.

When Clark was a senior at Michigan in 2014, police responded to a disturbance call at an Ohio hotel room and found Clark’s girlfriend, Diamond Hurt, with marks on her neck and face; multiple guests at the hotel heard yelling and screaming from the couple’s hotel room, and said Hurt was unconscious on the floor.

He was initially charged with first-degree misdemeanor domestic violence, but that was later reduced to fourth-degree persistent disorderly conduct, paying court fees and completing a domestic violence awareness class.
‘We were deeply disturbed’

Hunt reiterated the franchise talking point that he and team brass were “deeply disturbed” by the audio of Hunt and Espinal recorded by Espinal and released by a Kansas City news organization on Thursday night.

In it, Hill and Espinal are discussing their treatment of their son; Espinal pushes back against the notion that she has used a belt to punish the boy, but does seem to admit to spanking him.

She accuses Hill of using a belt and punching the child in the chest when he’s crying, and said the boy told others “Daddy did it” when asked about his broken arm.

At one point, Espinal says, “He’s terrified of you,” to which Hill responds, “You should be terrified of me too, bitch.”

But being “disturbed” by what he heard and knowing Hill has a history of such behavior isn’t enough for Hunt and the Chiefs to say enough is enough.

Being a three-time Pro Bowler has benefits beyond free trips to Orlando to play in the exhibition game, apparently.
‘We’re going to go through the process’

Hunt, like general manager Brett Veach and Reid, doesn’t seem like he’s ready for the team to cut ties with Hill. Unlike a few months ago, when the Chiefs cut Kareem Hunt when video surfaced of the running back kicking at a woman on the floor outside his Cleveland apartment, Clark Hunt pointed to the ongoing investigation into Hill as cover.

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Based on reporting at the time, it seems clear that Kareem Hunt was released not because of what happened, but because he lied to Kansas City about the incident when the team learned of it months earlier.

Clark Hunt seems to think a suspension from largely voluntary offseason activities is sufficient.

“I really can’t [talk about it] because that goes back to the ongoing investigation with Tyreek and really our ability to get information,” Hunt said. “That audio was really among the first information we received of the investigation.”

Asked the difference between the situations with Kareem Hunt and Hill, Clark Hunt said, “I would just point out that Tyreek is not with the franchise right now, and we’re going to go through the process, and as Brett said, we’ll make the right decision about Tyreek at the right time.”

He declined to detail the Chiefs’ review process or offer a timeline for when the team would make a decision on Hill.

The NFL and most of its member clubs have made it clear time and again that they pay little more than lip service when it comes to domestic violence.

Of all people, however, Clark Hunt should have a greater understanding than most owners and league executives of the horrors of domestic violence: Little more than six years ago, during his stewardship, Chiefs linebacker Jovan Belcher murdered his girlfriend in front of his own mother and then killed himself in the parking lot of the team’s practice facility.

Being so close to such a tragedy seems to have done little to change the Chiefs’ approach to players with a history of domestic violence.

Has the NFL made up their mind yet?

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I guess, I don't even know why I decided to comment, except for the innocent/proven thing, which is kind of a staple of our nation.

I'm not sticking up for the loser, sorry.

Nope, she will be facing obstruction of justice, she will plea it out and turn on Tyreek now to save her ass.

Who cares???

If everything that appears to be the case turns out to be the case then Tyreek fully deserves to be flipped on.

I'm just as bummed about it as everyone. I just think the writing is on the wall.

This team is snake bit.

Nooooo…...a lawyer will get that whole audio tossed......even the "I rode for you" comment.

By: Shalise Manza Young,
 

Who is this woman?

Not saying that a team should be full of choir boys but they kind of bring it on themselves by drafting/signing all these talented character concerns.

The Kareem Hunt was a botched situation. I will never defend the Chiefs for releasing him based on that video. When I read the headlines I was expecting to wince but then when it was over I was asking myself, "That's it?" So he lied about... fine him, suspended him without pay, do whatever you want to him short of releasing him and get him some counseling while hes mulling shit over.

Neither am I. And under no circumstances do I condone the actual punching of a little kid by a parent. If that part is true, then Hill can go **** himself.

Of course, for even daring to suggest that there are two sides to every domestic dispute, I've sent the pink pussy hat crowd into a torches and pitchforks frenzy. Sadly, that's just the world we live in now. :shake:

Those are definitely not the comments I expected to see on a Yahoo article.

I hope she DOES flip. Can't WAIT to watch that defense team shred her lying, manipulative ass. And she can't claim "victim". All of the psychobabble in the world doesn't cover her continually running back to this "monster" and choosing to live with him and be in his presence 24/7, now does it?

****ing BRING it.

Agree. I doubt she’s credible at all.

neither parent should have custody. just give the kid to the God-meddlers and lets be done with this. ugh.

ick

yuck

smartest haircut I've ever seen

All true. As someone posted before, it's bullshit a team can dump a player like Hunt and someone picks him right back up.

Child abuse is a different matter though IMO. If we lose Hill I would hope the NFL would ban him.

Shit, there was even a Raiders fan defending us. LMAO

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Who wore it better?

She played Eddie on the Munsters!

So you have convicted him because of the audio?

Suspending Hill until there is a conviction or irrefutable evidence that he has abused his child is the right play. If he didn't have a past, I'd say no action until something concrete had been provided.

Let the legal system play out and take action from there to dump him or reinstate.

Shalise Manza Young joined Yahoo Sports in 2015 after almost a decade covering the New England Patriots for the Boston Globe and Providence Journal.

:hmmm:

Agree.....the DA agreed once already too.....after the audio gets tossed, he'll have to agree again!

We've just had all sorts of media trouble since we starting being the No. 1 pain in the Cheatriots' ass, haven't we?

That’s supposed to be a female?

I'm waiting to see what reopening the investigation brings before I pass judgement. It doesn't matter what I think. It's what the organization thinks. Their first pick in the draft seems pretty telling to me. That's the only reason I posted what I did. Didn't mean to offend.

I guess, what a mess.
Is this part of their gameplan/psychology?

Twisted Chiefs mommy who "taught him right"?

Shalise Manza Young
Shalise Manza Young joined Yahoo Sports in 2015 after almost a decade covering the New England Patriots for the Boston Globe and Providence Journal. A husband, three daughters, grown son, hyperactive Rottweiler, coaching track and field and teaching sports journalism keep her busy when she's not writing about the NFL for Shutdown Corner.

all I've gleaned: she ****s dudes

I don't know. Personally, I've always thought Pioli was sent here to destroy the franchise. He basically did to the Chiefs what I would have done to the Broncos if I was their GM.

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The bitch is a Dracula

That's Bills "Krafty".

That’s the part that drives me nuts. What’s the difference between the Chiefs suspending Hill or another team? Suspended is suspended no matter who does it.

Hell no.. That's a dog!

I pray the Chiefs keep playing the delay game and force the NFL to own the decision. The Chiefs have to resist making the first move and being one-up'd by the NFL again.

Hold your cards Clark, make the NFL decide his fate, for the entire league..

Totally agree and i'll be disappointed with anything else.

Dracula LMAO

I think it is an invalid assumption that a partner in a relationship looks guilty not to immediately deny something every time it is said to him. If they spoke about the situation before, he has already talked about it with her.

They must have talked about it many times before being at an International airport days or weeks later.

Aside from that, I agree with your statements.

It would seem that SOME of the fan base has learned their lesson from the last go-around. To those who haven't they'll just have to be swatted on the nose with a paper like bad little puppies pissing on the carpet until the storm blows over and fates are decided.

I expect this team to be run like a business, and outright release of Hill is NOT good business. I'm glad this went down during the draft, bringing a much-needed distraction and more importantly TIME to let certain people vent while cooler heads prevailed.
Now, we let time pass and let the process play out.

Yes...I was surprised. She got roasted...

Looks we arent the only fan base that is sick of this type of opinion hit piece masquerading as journalism.

Most football fans are conservative and loathe what the left has done to the game over the last 15 years.

The backlash was inevitable.

If not drafted Hill would have been signed as an UDFA. That guys talent would have put him in the NFL no matter his past. So kindly eat a fat dick Charger fan.

I would suppose her defense lawyer would be colleagues with his defense lawyer and don't see why you would get a flip over a charge that does not have much punishment.

Also, I would bet that her interviews were early in the process and informal and unrecorded where interviewers took handwritten notes and wrote a brief report without much detail.

They've reduced perjury to a slap on the wrist now?

I'm still trying to understand why she would incriminate herself by saying "I rode for you" on a secret recording she's using to entrap him. Not the brightest couple...

It would be an interesting twist if no charges come to Hill...but she gets in trouble for lying to the DA.

Even if its discovered that Hill broke his kids arm...it going to be extremely difficult to prove it was a deliberate criminal act and not accidental. That they were covering it up because Hill had a contract looming and the press would destroy him...even if it wasn't on purpose.

Whats the worst that can happen...the kid is removed from their household? Thats already happened..

All the SJW that were claiming that all they cared about was the welfare of the child should stop the witch hunt...he's safe now. Mission accomplished.

I rode for you is pretty cryptic. and it might not mean anything. I'd guess it means she is a ride or dies bitch. except...she didnt die and she isn't a bitch. she's a lady. a school teacher, pre-Elementary even. She rides and.... you know, she does well for herself without dieing and without riding

no....they just keep knowingly drafting shitbags. all fans know the chiefs m.o. they are the bengals and ravens of the afc west. selling their soul for a sb. the only surprise is after seeing the joe mixon tape the chiefs didn't draft him.

ROFL

Also..the quote "you should be scared of me too". It's really hard to gauge as nobody actually knows their communication style. They've been together for 5 years. She didn't seem too worried about it...

Now if that wasn't part of your normal rapport with your significant other...and taken at face value...it could be construed as a legitimate threat.

That's the problem with edited sound bytes...it takes things out of context.

I rode for you is standard elementary curriculum now.

She's so not bright, you could tint your car from the sun with her very thoughts.

Perjury would have to be under oath.

Seems like she is talking about early interviews and unlikely that is under oath.

I think Kansas obstruction of justice could be untruthfulness in a police or agency interview.

Seems like she is saying that she was not there when arm injury happened and Tyreek seems to never have admitted to her that the injury was his fault, so if she was untruthful about the other corporal punishment that she disapproves of and that Tyreek thinks "teaches respect." that seems like misdemeanor level, at worse.

Considering that a child in need of care case is addressing the day to day life of the kid, seems like prosecuting her would be a lot of DA time that is motivated by the fame of the defendants and not doing much good for anyone.

I think the only way she testifies against him is if they break up, and not sure she would be a very good witness or that she would want to be. If they broke up and she genuinely objected to Tyreek's parenting, I would guess her lawyer would negotiate a favorable parenting plan with Tyreek's lawyer to propose to the court when the Child in Need of Care case wraps up.