Why next week?

The longer Ronald Darby remains a fa, the more he looks like being this season's Breeland tbh. The fact that he visited with the Chiefs last year is all we need to know.

Desir would be worth looking at.

I fully expect to see a veteran cb join us..Breeland, Darby or Desir. You can't go into next season with Ward and a rookie no matter how good the rookie may be.

Yeah but it’s ****ing impossible now without any new deals between Jones or Watkins.

Apparently Desir was really bad last year

He also was really of last year.

Lol ****ing autocorrect.

Because we are all so booooored

Had to be because of that pussy ass name. There should be a law against someone with the name of Pierre playing football, let alone Pierre Desir. He sounds like he should be prancing around in a tutu.:D

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happiness I’m chasing</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1241419020873674752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What does this even mean

It’s official

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Remmers has officially agreed to terms with the Kansas City Chiefs on a 1-year (mostly guaranteed) contract that insures he&#39;ll be a part of the defending Super Bowl champs this season.</p>&mdash; Brett Tessler (@TesslerSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/TesslerSports/status/1241463488221974528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

My boner is official!!!! Already bought my Remers jersey or whatever the **** his name is!!

Donkey homer media:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Vannett is a nice receiving TE Has size, athleticism Knows how to use his body to box out defenders Has learned to be a better blocker in the pros. Those calling him merely a &quot;blocking&quot; TE do not know his game. Former teammate of Heuerman at Ohio State. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Broncos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/1043TheFan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1043TheFan</a></p>&mdash; Cecil Lammey (@CecilLammey) <a href="https://twitter.com/CecilLammey/status/1241450219478237184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

People who actually watched this player LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Somehow a rumor started that he was a good blocker before he was traded to the Steelers, and that was extremely untrue. Also offered very little in the passing game. Glad they cut their loss and didn&#39;t compound bad mistake of trading a 5th for him last year</p>&mdash; Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft) <a href="https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft/status/1241451189746782211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the Kingdom, Mike �� <a href="https://t.co/XtOGKZ5Ymj">pic.twitter.com/XtOGKZ5Ymj</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1241473587644637185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They wanna believe that this is the year sooooo bad.

It’s pleasurable to watch.

I don’t get it. They’ve hardly even gotten that much better so far. They’re beyond delusional.

Whatever it means, it sure doesn’t sound good :shake:

Posted on the Mange / Melvin Gordon signing..

"It gives us one of the best 1-2 punches in the league"

In reply:

"yes it does! love this signing!"

:LOL:
I don't think we were ever that delusional.

Literally all hinges on Lock. Denver is definitely drafting a WR first rd. Actually think both Alabama receivers are drafted into AFC West next month

The Chiefs moves (or lack thereof) so far leaves so many questions.

If I had to put money on it, and it wouldn’t be much, I think I still expect them to trade Jones. It just may not happen until closer to the draft.

Jones might be realizing nobody is willing to pay him what he thinks he’s worth.

There hasn’t been a peep about a team interested in acquiring him. Chiefs can wait him out whether he likes it or not.

Hopefully they’re letting his agents negotiate with potential trade partners so he can really see what kind of contract is out there for him. Then they can decide if it’s enough to warrant leaving.

Drew Lock will surely know how to use him properly!

Ugghh why are you thinking that? I think a Jones trade would be worst case scenario for us at this point. The big fish have been signed in free agency.

If they were going to trade him it needed to be done early so we could sign some impact players in free agency with his cap savings.

Just my two cents but I think we either extend him or hes playing on the tag. Could definitely be wrong.

Think Frank Clark. Got traded the week before the draft last year.

You never know the kind of conversations that are taking place right now — if they have multiple bidders, they’ll do okay.

If we were going to sign impact players with the money we're not paying Jones, I'd rather just keep Jones and figure out the cap shit down the road.

Even if we traded him early on in the free agency process, you weren't going to see the Chiefs be big spenders this year.

Problem with that is that this just isn’t a good class for interior rushers. Replacing him would be very difficult in this current climate

Yeah good point. I fully admit I'm no cap expert. So we just head into next year with a good chunk in cap savings? It would just seem preferable to make the trade early if at all possible to utilize that cap savings in free agency this year.

Must still be hanging out with Levon Bell.

If they move on from Jones, it could also speak to more of a philosophical shift to a more balanced skill set. Might sacrifice some pass rush skill in favor of a guy who can hold a double consistently, not necessarily just winning with pure quickness (Saunders?).

Definitely not upgrading from him though.

I'm thinking along these lines too. Maybe a trade with Jacksonville for #20, #116, and #165. That would give us 8 draft picks, with all of them being in the first 5 rounds. Jax could then move their tag player who doesn't want to be a Jag to recoup their picks.

Re-work Watkins deal and have plenty of cap space to sign some role players. Draft a couple of CB's, couple of OL, couple of LB's, RB, and a TE, and let's roll!

Yes it does leave many questions with Jones, Sammy and more all needing to be resolved soon

Still hate the idea of trading him, but if he’s gonna be a stickler for every single dime instead of seeing the big picture... well, bye

I guess :huh:


Hope that first sentence is true, but wouldn’t put big money on it... teams could be playing their cards close to the chest on a big move

But if he has to take the tag, one can only hope he keeps it in perspective and sees the value in coming back to defend the title... not pouting about it

There's a LOT of offseason to go.

Just because FA has been rolling a couple of days doesn't mean anything.

IF Jones is traded, it will free up money to sign back more of our own guys. And there will be bargain hunting. I seriously doubt we sign any "big names" and that's probably a good thing going forward.

We're right up against the cap right now. No real room to do anything substantial.

Actually I think it's Jones refusing to come to grips with the fact no one wants to pay him what he thinks he's worth. He's holding out for more. :shrug:

No clue what the **** they’re doing with Sammy. Although they may just wait until the absolutely need the cap space. Same thing with LDT. I think the rumor that we were in on Peat...makes me think that if the numbers worked....that LDT would have been gone in a corresponding move.

He sure is catching grief over that including several calling him greedy and him responding that it was nothing that he hadn't work hard for.

This tweet and his response just confirm he’s chasing the big money!

He’s right, though. You can’t fault him.

This is his one chance to score that big time contract. Might as well take advantage of it. I just hope it’s not the Chiefs paying him that Aaron Donald money.

Rather another team do it and we take the draft picks and a big chunk of cap space to use.

Love ya, Chris. Thanks for all you did. Wish you success elsewhere, except when you play KC.

I just do not see a possible trade partner when I look around.

The only team that makes sense is the Dolphins and they might not want to move any of their 1st round picks in case they need them to trade up for Tua.

Jacksonville. D-line is at the top of their needs. They have a tag on a guy who does not want to be there. Win-win for both teams. We pick up draft picks from them. They move their guy to re-coup the picks. Their money is about the same either way.

And you aren’t getting their 1st rounder.

They are in a rebuilding stage and are trying to get rid of money. Last thing they’re ant is to give Jones a 22 mil per year contract

5 and 18 probably get it done, wouldn't you think?

trade 26 and a third to us for Jones.

I think it's likely there or maybe Seattle.

Maybe right. But Ngakoue does not want to be there. Right now they have 11 picks, 2 in the first. They could move on from Ngakoue and still have 11 picks in the first round, plus have Jones to build around on their defense. Jones and their LB's would be a nice place to start building a defense. You can't have all draft picks. Especially if they all come due for 2nd contracts at the same time.

Really hoping that Chris Jones is traded. As much as I loved the player on and off the field, it brushes me off the wrong way that he is playing hardball for that massive contract. I am all for paying him a nice 19M, maybe even 20M per season, he deserves it but if he is to play hardball and not accept anything less than 21M-22M I say no thanks.

There is countless examples of teams, including the Chiefs, handing out those massive contracts and coming out on the short end.

I'm a Chiefs fan first and foremost and I know that handing out any massive contract means saying goodbye to other players I would have liked to keep or putting the team in a bad position cap wise down the road.

Look at Mitchell Schwartz. A guy who seems to be intelligent. So consistent, never injured, etc. He doesn't have a massive contract, granted at a lesser position, and Veach had no trouble extending him a year more. That's what I like.

Dolphins have two first rounders in 2021 as well, correct? They have some picks to play around with as well as the cap space.

Ditto

I don't mind him trying to get paid.

I just don't think we can is all. Not and still field a championship team.

I'm good with the Dolphins too. I just threw out another possibility besides the Dolphins that could work.

A first and a 2nd from the Dolphins call it a day. Be smart here Veach dont let one overpriced contract backfire on Mahomes just as he enters his prime.

okay, as I'm looking at the first round, I see it like this:

Cinci will take Burrow, which I think is a mistake. In my opinion, he's Mitch Trubisky. Flame away, but I don't see a star. I see "oh, he's got the tools, he's NFL ready". We've all seen how that goes. If I'm Cinci, I take Tua. He's the only guy in this draft that looks like a franchise QB to me.

Washington would have to admit Haskins is shit. Too soon I think. I don't think they go QB two years in a row.

Detroit is committed to Stafford, and they should be. I think he's the best QB on the shittiest team. Drafting a QB does not help them.

Giants same as Washington. They just took a guy. Too soon. They need to build the roster.

So Tua should be there for Miami at 5.

I think they take Tua at 5, offer us #26 and a third, or something like that for Jones. They've still got 2 #2's and a full board.

:clap::clap::clap:

If Terez reports it, I take is as fact. He’s said twice now that the Chiefs would like to keep Jones and are working to do so.

Even Chris Harris Jr said that, so he’s clearly heard from Veach.

It takes time to get these deals done. We all know that.

He's usually a good source.

One thing for certain, if they keep Jones, Watkins is gone.

honestly, I'd prefer to reshuffle the deck and be in better shape cap-wise when we have to take on Mahomes' new deal.

Jonesy's great, but $40 a year in half of your d-line is a lot of cash to tie up in two guys.

If Washington, Detroit and NYG all stand pat though at least one if not more of them is trading back. The Chargers, Panthers, and Jaguars could all realistically try to jump the Dolphins if Tua is their guy. If the Dolphins are sold on Tua theyll have to invest some draft capital to ensure they get him.

Mitch Trubisky? LMAO great ****ing insight Bucky Brooks

Let me ask a real question...

Why should Chris sign a deal for less than Aaron Donald/Khalil Mack got? They signed those deals at age 27.

The only way I see that happening is if Chris and Brett agree to do a 3 year deal for the same overall AAV Clark got so he can hit FA again in his prime. That would be a hometown discount.

The deals for Mack/Donald that we’re signed for all of their prime years in the league...

Mack got 7 total years for 154m total at age 27.
Donald signed for 7 total years and 142m total at age 27.


Those were signed before the 2018 season when the cap was 177m and it’s since risen to 198.2m in 2020. That’s a 12% rise in the cap, so Jones could convincingly argue he is worth 12% more than either of those players.

That’s how agents determine a players calculated market value when hoping to set the market.

If Chris agrees to a deal for all of his prime years, that value should legit fall somewhere between

7 years for a total value of

7 years 159m
-
7years 172m

what do they have to jump with though? I mean without mortgaging their entire draft?

Don't get me wrong; I think Tua's floor is solid NFL starter. I think he's more than likely the equal of Watson. I think his ceiling is Russell Wilson. I like the kid. A LOT.

IF, IF, IF he's going to be healthy going forward.

Personally, if I didn't have an elite QB, I'd do whatever it took to draft one. I think you're spinning your wheels otherwise.

But that's not how most NFL GM's operate.

That’s selling a unicorn for the price of just a good horse.

I’d be unhapppy if we gave away Jones for 26th overall and a third.

That deal better have next years 2 involved for it to sound even remotely reasonable.

I mean it wont take a kings ransom for the Chargers to jump from 6 to 4 or 3 if Tua is still on the board. I dont know I'd be concerned if I was the Dolphins GM and considered Tua my franchise QB. To ensure you get him you probably need to jump to #2 to ensure it's a done deal.

First and a 3rd gives us 5 picks in the top 100, and 7 total picks in the first 5 rounds. Will it fill all of the holes? Probably not. But we have Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Watkins (?), Hardman, Fisher, Schwartz, Clark, Mathieu, Thornhill, Ward, Nandi, Saunders, and several others to hold the fort down until there is another draft next year.

come talk about it in a couple years.

I see a guy with the tools, playing on a loaded roster, in an NFL type offense.

Those guys are always coveted, and in recent years, not special at the NFL level.

You can laugh your ass off now, but let's see what he does, yeah?

Lots of guys with the tools flame out in the NFL.

I don't see 'it'. Some guys you see that at the college level, and while you can't quantify it exactly, you just see something more going on there. More than the sum of their physical ability.

Patrick was so unorthodox I wasn't sure it would translate, but he clearly had otherworldy arm talent and heart. Didn't know about the brain until he got here, and I think that's fair to say nobody really did.

I thought Brees had 'it'. I thought Wilson had 'it'.

I think Watson has it, and I think in this draft, Tua's got it.

I don't see anything in Burrows that makes me think he'll be special at the next level.

We'll see. Call it my hot take. I think he'll have a mediocre career.



I thought Manning did, and Leaf did not.

You could be right, and if so, wouldn't #18 get that done at most? a #2 at least?

Dolphins trade up. Maybe that team becomes a player in the Jones scenario. Or the Jags

You are probably over valuing Jones trade value. Most analyst say that he is not viewed to be worth what Buckner was or even close becuase Buckner was a higher pick that is a better all around player that does not have motivational issues.

but you got to field 53 good horses to win the race.

If we have half our cap tied up in 5 guys, it ain't gonna be pretty.

Football, especially at the NFL level is the ultimate team sport. That's what I love so much about it.

Love to keep him, have serious concerns about our ability to field a solid and deep talented roster if we do.

Exactly

sometimes letting a star go in order to obtain two or three merely good players makes the team better.

It's painful. But it's true.

Look at what the Patriots did for the last 20 years in order to get to 9 Super bowls and win 6.

They were absolutely brutal about where they spent their money and where they let guys walk.

You want to win 6 or 7 Superbowls?

Get used to it.

You field a good defense, and you protect Patrick while giving him some weapons.

Sometimes two or three good players are more valuable than one great one.

Anywhere but QB, this is true.

Jones should not get Aaron Donald money. Just no way.

Guys like Donald, Mack, even Clark or Buckner, they are all around players who are very good in every single phase. I’m not saying that Chris is a bad run defender, I just don’t know that I’d classify him as good either. He’s solid there.

That's the headache the Dolphins GM is probably faced with if indeed he is after Jones and is also sold on Tua. How much draft capital do we need to keep in the bank? Pretty hypothetical scenario but who knows.

And I keep picturing in my head, if we have all of that money tied up into 5-6 players, what happens if even just one goes down to injury and isn’t available for the playoffs? It’d make a huge difference that the other guys around them will likely struggle to make up for remotely.

Chris Jones at $1.5m AAV was an incredible steal and we couldn’t have won the SB without him. Chris Jones at $21m+ AAV is no longer a steal and we may not be able to field a good enough all around team with him.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/...-sammy-watkins

The first deal for Watkins in this article, plus a trade of Jones for picks could set us up pretty well for this year, next year, and the future as well.

Man, if you're trying to rebuild a team and could come out of the first round with a bonafide franchise QB prospect and a proven NFL defensive line stud, I think you'd feel pretty ****ing good about that. I mean really. You could do so, so much worse.

I might be biased, but I'd rather have Jones than Mack, Clark, or Buckner. I think a lot of people would, which is why I can perfectly understand how Jones thinks he can achieve Donald money

You could make the case for several guys on "we wouldn't have won the Super Bowl without him" argument.

First and foremost is Mahomes. Dude only needs 4 or 5 minutes out of a 60 minute game to get it done. Same as the all-time greats at QB. Fortunately, he plays for us.

that's a more succinct way of saying what I've been trying to say.

you ARE biased. Definitely.

You're a fan, of course you are. So am I.

I love Jonesy. I love that smile, and that swagger.

But reality is reality.

You re-up Jonesy and you've got $40 plus in half of your defensive line. Hill getting a ton. Watkins, who should be cut or traded or reworked immediately. Badger. Mahomes about to get paid.

You're going to have half of your available cap in 5 guys.

You just can't do that and field a championship roster.

I completely disagree.

Guys like Jones help make the guys around him better directly and indirectly.

Opposing offenses are forced to double team Jones and still lose the battle. That means other players only have to beat a single block to eat. It also forces the QB to need to move to avoid pressure (often immediate pressure) and that makes the job of the DEs easier. He also helps the CBs because the QB is often throwing off balance and rushed.

The truth is, Unicorns like CJ make good players out of average players around them through their impact.