Exactly. He hasn't played football in nearly 2 years. Just assuming he'll come in and be the same player pre injury is insane. That's why he dropped in the first place.

What’s your plan for both guard spots and the RT spot?

Assuming any player that hasn't played a down in the NFL to come in and play at a high level is asking for trouble. You have to have multiple plans in place.

Remember how much the pundits hated that we took Fisher over Joeckel? How did that turn out?

Just throwing draft picks at the problem isn't guaranteed to fix anything but it certainly will hinder their ability to address other issues.

They have to be smart about this.

let me just ask this question:

When the defense ruined the team's chances at a Super Bowl in 2018, what did Veach and Reid do?

Do you really think they're not going to address this, when the offensive line cost the Chiefs a Super Bowl in 2020? Or just some duct-tape and a prayer?

I don't.

Allegreti and LDT to start at Gs. Out of necessity Niang plays RT although that makes me pretty nervous. If Fisher can come back and play in the season then Fisher takes his LT spot, the rookie goes to RT, and Niang moves inside. Allegreti is a replacement level player and LDT is kind of a broke dick so there'll be room for him.

I absolutely do think they'll address it. I just don't think they're going to dedicate every last resource they have to the offensive line, which is what some people seem to want.

The only 2 guys I’m comfortable plugging in are Niang and LDT.

After that I think you have to have a realistic plan that looks something like this:

Re-sign Osemele
Sign Jason Peters
Sign Justin Britt

Draft:

2. Quinn Meinerz/Creed Humphrey/Josh Myers
3. Walker Little/James Hudson/D’Ante Smith

That’s a realistic plan in terms of what I’d expect the Chiefs to do.

When have you seen Andy Reid shake up the offensive line in the middle of the season? If the rookie is good at LT....why would you want to move his position and possibly **** things up?

Then Fisher can go to RT if the rookie is lighting it up. Don't think Reid places much emphasis on LT or RT. He wants 2 great Ts, period.

If they trade up for a LT....then Fisher is gone after this year.

Fisher isn't a RT. That would be awful.

Yep.

They'll ride out his contract and let him go.

Just means they won't be as active in free agency.

He disagrees with you.

https://www.chiefs.com/video/eric-fi...to-rt-15837085

When was that?

Rookie year when he played RT when we still had Branden Albert

Do you think his feelings have changed on the matter?

Do you think that if I go ask Andrew Wylie the same question.....would he tell me that he can’t?

I’m pretty sure Fisher wouldn’t be as open the playing RT now that he’s not a rookie trying to prove himself while saying the right things.

This is silly.

And quite frankly, in this hypothetical if the rookie is playing well enough to keep Fisher from playing LT then I'd consider that an absolute home run of a draft pick and a great use of resources.

According to Over The Cap they could save $5.5 million if they do post-June 1st.

w

A LONG time ago.

Look, the most interesting thing to watch this offseason will be what Veach does with Schwarts and Fisher. I mean this is the absolute worst situation we could find ourselves in. Two OTs in their early 30s with big cap numbers and one year remaining on their deals. I don't know what the right answer is.

I agree with the people who say if the Chiefs draft a LT in the first round, Fisher is toast. I also think that building an Online with a group of players that have little to no NFL experience isn't ideal, and frankly is stupid when you are protecting someone the likes of Mahomes and what he means to the franchise.

I think there has to be a free agent component to this.

Yep. You've got to use free agency to address immediate needs, especially given our draft position. You never know how the draft is going to play out, and more importantly, how a prospect is going to look once they're in the league. The more holes we can fill using players in the FA bargain bin, the closer we can get to a BPA draft.

Exactly.

I just find it weird that people have trusted Veach when it comes to other positions. Now all of a sudden we’re ****ed at the offensive line if they don’t do what people want.

Yep.

LMAO How long have you posted on this website? There's been plenty of criticism of Veach and his moves in the past.

Before the Super Bowl? Sure.

After? Not so much.

So what are people's take on Cam Robinson? Now I have not watched enough Jacksonville games to have an opinion, but I'd rather spend FA dollar on someone who's 26 than someone who is 33.

Yeah, I've still seen criticism after the fact as well. Maybe not quite as vitriolic but it's still there.

Peters is a great thought as a stop gap. He'll be 40 next season, but if he wants to ring chase and can come back from his IR stint to end this season, that would be a good 2021 solution to where KC is.

In that scenario, are you thinking

Peters
Allegretti (or Osemele if he's GtG)
Meineri/Humphrey/Myers
LDT
Niang

Exactly. Especially the way the Chiefs are built now. The window is still open. Use the draft to select depth and future talent.

If they intend to wait on Fish, they might do it. But, I'd play it like Fish won't be available next season.

The Saints have released veteran G Nick Easton. Another move to continue to get closer to the salary cap

Can someone please explain this fascination with Jason Peters to me? He's going to be 40 years old, coming off the IR, and hasn't exactly been an iron man the seasons prior. When the problem this past season was all our OL getting injured and leaving us with nothing but scrubs, relying on guys like Peters or even worse Osemele or Britt seems ridiculous to me. Am I taking crazy pills or what?

The thing that is going to piss me off is us keeping Sammy. You just know it’s going to happen. Patrick loves the guy and Veach won’t want to get rid of him so quickly.

I just pray to god he takes $5 million or less with incentives packed in that deal and we draft a WR in the first 3 rounds.

Not to mention Peters threatened to retire unless Philadelphia gave him a lot more money to play LT instead of G. You think he's going to come here and play LT for vet minimum?

I'm not fond of it either but it seems like a Chiefs-ish move.

You know how I feel about guys with injuries.

I wonder what it would take to trade for James Daniels of the Bears?

Center out of Iowa that was drafted in the second round in 2018. Lost center spot to Cody Whitehair. He's in the final year of his rookie contract. While not the Bears Center he has be a starter for them at LG. Have to wonder if it in their plans to eventually pay him. If not, maybe we could snag him and solve our center issues.

I really hope he's gone.

Not a bad idea.

Oh **** no. That would actually be quite a bit irritating.

If Sammy had a big game in the playoffs I might agree that it would be the Chiefs thing to do, but I don't see it. The "Run it Back" thing was a one year deal and it made a ton of sense, and hell almost worked. I think this team now is in a transition, and with the cap situation, I just can't see making it work with Sammy. D-Rob might be a different story because we can get him dirt cheap IMO

He apparently had said he just wants to play another year to try to win a ring.

Don’t think he got to play during the Eagles SB run.

Personally, I'd let both walk.

Neither of these two should be on the team next season. If they are it will be more of the same that teams take Kelce and Tyreek out of the game. No need to worry about the areas on the field they are not occupying.

KC needs a WR2 that can be reliable over the middle and blocking.

Before the playoffs I didn't see the value of taking a T in the 1st round, but with the probably retirement of Schwartz and the injury to Fish, I've changed my mind. take a T in the 1st if possible, maybe another one later in the draft, pick up a WR that can physically fill Sammy's role (6+ ft, 210 lbs., 4.5 speed, etc.), and find a decent DE prospect. Obviously if we can trade for some of these pieces, great.

Otherwise, I think the team is in good shape to get back to the SB in 2022. The secondary is in good shape assuming the core guys stay), and for the first time in three years i think the LB corps is mostly good enough.

biggest issue, as I see it, is upgrading at OL. Just gotta bite the bullet and put together a better, healthier OL and we're going to win another SB.

Brought it up in draft thread but depending how draft goes would you trade 31 for Derek Barnett.

You want to trade a 1st rd pick for a guy that has 19.5 sacks in 4 years and will need a new contract?

Wut

because we can't afford a top flight LT in free agency, and if the Chiefs expect Fisher back then you don't want a big contract to deal with anyway?

And because he's already played for Reid, and in this system, and extremely well? If he's got 8 games in him, he's perfect.

I don't want to only nab these over the hill guys coming off of injury; it's what we can afford cap-wise. I think ONLY doing that would be very unwise. I think drafting and developing youngsters is really the only path forward and back to a Super Bowl. These guys like Peters, Osemele, or Britt (I wouldn't put him in quite the same category, he's 29) are low risk/high reward types that can bridge to your youngsters and hopefully be veteran back-ups/insurance.

I think you need a two pronged approach to make sure something like this SB doesn't happen again.

LMAO

No ****ing way. There will be better prospects at the position that won’t also need a new contract soon.

Pass rush is a huge problem though. The Bucs adjusted and essentially doubled Jones and shifted more help to Clark all bc Danna and Wharton didn’t need more than a blocker.

Clark and Jones are studs but a pass rush isn’t going to be effective without at least 3 quality rushers.

We can’t keep blitzing so often. It leaves us vulnerable against good QB’s

Isn't O.City the poster that was wanting us to go after OBJ and some other FA players that were.....ridiculous?

Hindsight is 20/20, but we should’ve given Ogbah the 2 year, $15 million contract he got from Miami

Perhaps what's 20/20 is realizing a mobile QB still needs a good OL.

One key element we haven't factored in is Clark Hunt being embarrassed publicly on the grandest stage, If the head man wants a revamped OL the Chiefs will acquire one through FA and the draft because Veach,Reid, and Heck will have to sell why some of the players deserve a roster spot on his dime with crunched cap space

The unknown is really Schwartz. He’s the pivotal piece to the off-season plan for the OL. If he’s back and ready to roll, it gives quite a bit of flexibility that’s currently unknown. Maybe Schwartz is your opening day RT? Potential to be a swing tackle in 2021? Left Tackle while playing Niang at his natural college position of RT? I don’t anticipate Fisher playing much or playing well in 2021 unless it wasn’t a full Achilles tear (Suggs was back in 6 months vs 12).

LG is wide open, C is wide open unless Reiter is retained. I would prefer an upgrade at Center vs standing firm. LDT should be back and fresh as long as Rona is under control.

This will be Veach’s most challenging offseason IMO. Lots of decisions to make, and several holes to fill.

I think the most likely OL scenario for next year is:

Stop gap FA swing T with hopes Fisher comes back
Allegretti
Draft Pick (or Allegretti if we draft a G)
LDT
Niang

I will be very surprised if that isn’t the OL in Week 1 (barring an unforeseen injury).

100%

Ascending player. Should have dropped Okafor and extended Ogbah.

I am really surprised to see so many people counting on Niang to fill a spot next year. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he coming off a serious injury when we drafted him and that's pretty much why he chose to sit last year out? So coming off a serious injury and he hasn't played for 2 years and never played a down in the NFL. I'm not expecting much of anything out of him next year. :shrug:

Veach thought he had a shot to start at guard in 2020 before opting out.

He can play.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we could’ve paid his salary by just releasing Watkins and not re-signing Robinson, right?

Then take Tee Higgins or Chase Claypool in the 1st and Antonio Gibson in the 2nd.

I like Willie Gay long-term, but that scenario would’ve made us better in the 2020-2021 season.

Again 20/20

Seeing some posts about clearing enough money for 1 major add. I’m not sure that’s possible, but if I could add one guy?

Melvin Ingram

He actually shouldn’t cost insane money since he is 31 and had a down year. I would love to see this guy come here on a cheap deal to try to boost his value and win a championship.

Sounds like a pipe dream though

LT - Niang
LG - Allegretti
C - James Daniels (Trade with Bears)
RG - LDT
RT - Schwartz or Draft pick

I don’t think you can operate with hopes of Fisher coming back in 2021. I also don’t see Allegretti as anything more than competition/depth.

Worst case scenario, Schwartz retires and Fisher can’t make it back in 2021 or beyond (set to hit FA after 2021). Your left with a rookie who hasn’t played in two years at OT, questions from guard to guard, and what else? I think it’s a must for Veach to figure out how to land a quality OT in free agency. Then our hopes turn into nice to haves.

I've been beating that drum for a while now

When Clark and Jones couldn't get there in 2019, Ogbah usually did

Oh I don’t like that OL situation, but that’s what I expect to happen.

If somehow the situation is better than that AND we upgrade at WR and DE, then Veach is a literal miracle worker.

They just remember the last 2 Super Bowls. The OL cost us this SB and almost cost us last years.

They aren’t taking into account the moves made to fix the OL from year before last.

Osemele
LDT
fisher
Niang
Schwartz.

Cant prepare for that volume of losses to a unit that depends on cohesiveness to thrive.

I kinda expect Veach to target the GB center in FA. Reiter was good in pass pro, but wasn’t even average at run blocking...going from Reiter to the GB center would vastly upgrade the OL. Plus, centers don’t make what tackles do so signing the best center in football would go a long way towards balancing the offense and letting CEH shine.

I’m not sure what Veach could have done more than what he did.

Going into this season our line was Fisher - ? - Reiter - LDT - Schwartz
He drafted Niang who probably would have had a crack at starting at LG, and he signed Remmers to be the swing tackle.

Then Niang and LDT opted out. So he signed Osemele and assumed that Wylie could fill in at RG because he’s done it before.

Then Osemele got hurt, so he plugged in Allegretti because what the **** else was out there?

Then Schwartz went down. So Remmers started.

Then Fisher went down. There was no shuffling that was going to fix it at that point. You just hope they don’t do what they did in the biggest game of the year. Unfortunately they did.

Reiter was the only constant on the o-line, and even he wasn't really a constant. They benched him when we played the Bills because his run-blocking effort was lacking. It was nothing short of a catastrophic season on the offensive line...AND WE STILL MADE THE SUPERBOWL. We'll be fine.

Ah so that’s why Veach isn’t concerned about being $15 million in the red

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The easiest and biggest savings is moving Pat&#39;s roster bonus to signing bonus. That is 17 mil alome</p>&mdash; ChiefBearcat (@Chief_Bearcat) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chief_Bearcat/status/1360420246616686592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Packers actually did this today with their LT.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Packers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Packers</a> recently created about $8.3M in cap space by converting LT David Bakhtiari’s more than $11M roster bonus into a signing bonus and spreading it out over the length of the contract. He’ll make the same as before, but it gives GB some room to operate.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1360724685584027650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Great post. Really paints a very clear picture.

Listen it's been an amazing three year run.
Veach will have to work some cap magic, and there a few things he can do to clear a little, but I'll surprised if we sign big name, big money free agents.

I fully expect him to have a solid plan with contingencies at the offensive line spots in '21. He's a smart guy, he watched the same game we did.

And I fully expect to be right back in contention.

I want a boring fatty draft. A LB or WR in FA. A TE2 in the draft would be ok in place of a fatty.

Vulnerable against good QBs?

Well, at least we'll still be able to piss pound the Bills and Ravens...

If Patrick can have his roster bonus turned into a signing bonus for $17 million then we’ll be fine with the cap.

Schwartz retirement gives us $6 million.
An extension to Matheui will give at least $8 million.
Extending Fisher would give us money too.

I think we’ll make it work

You’ve gotta balance things. With Mahomes and andy you need to be pushing for a championship every year but can’t over leverage.

Pass rushers are always needed. Look at Tampa. Get a few vets that still have juice and throw them in the mix with young guys you draft.

Mahomes is due that size roster bonus pretty much every year. Might be worth moving to signing bonus this year just because of their cap situation. But shouldn't make it a habit. In a few years he will be due 45-50 mil every single year. Adding a few mill to those cap charges is not ideal. I'd like to explore our other options first.

Fisher is going into the last year of his deal. The only option to lower his cap hit is to extend him because we can’t cut him while rehabbing an injury that happened during football activities.

Restructuring deals is only possible when there are multiple years left on a players contract.

I think the point is that we have multiple players that we could do that with. Mahomes, Jones, Kelce