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Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=351915)
Lamar is also "soft"
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That one is particularly hilarious. Who doesn’t watch anybody but their own team again? Spagnuolo has been using multiple, complex coverages and fake looks, with disguised, rolling coverages and a big nickel featuring a star S at nickelback for HOW long now? I think we have a lot of respect here for the Ravens. We just don’t believe Lamar Jackson has suddenly morphed into a new level as a passer. He has better weapons and a better passing scheme. He still has some of the same flaws as a thrower of the football he always has. It’s just harder to put him in those situations because the team is better. |
Same QB...new system. Spags will crack it
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I respect the Ravens. They're a high quality team and will be very difficult to beat. KC will need to play their A+ quality performance to win the game. But I don't believe they should forfeit the game ahead of time, which is the narrative that gets pushed way too often in the media. Let's play the game and see how it goes. I think KC will give Baltimore a much tougher game than Houston did, but we shall see how it goes. |
I do love it when fans are like "man they are so overconfident! We're going to shock them!"
You guys, we don't play in the game. Our confidence levels affect the outcome 0%. Acting like we're all bandwagoners since we made 6 straight AFCCG, unfortunately no. The bandwagoners don't post here. All of us are left over from the dark times. From the 30 years without a playoff win. Before you even had a team. |
At this point we've been here so many times and done this so many times, it's very hard to believe we won't do it again unless:
A) Lamar turns into Brady and our defense craters B) Mahomes gets hurt That's it. That's the needle they gotta thread. A Chiefs team facing zero pressure is dangerous. |
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This Chiefs team has found it's offensive identity late in the season and through two playoff games. The defense is still holding up too so looking at this team through a regular season lens doesn't look like what we are now. This should be a great game with the Chiefs and Mahomes coming out on top in the end. Probably come down to a kicker. Harry Buttkicker for President!
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We've been through this for years now and everything you said is absolutely true... and FFS, forget OUR experience, do Ravens fans even remember 2019? Point differential champions losing to a 6 seed? And they can excuse away that season, it's different this time, etc.... buuuuut, weren't you (probably) saying that in 2019, too? We know the difference between teams proving themselves to the world in the regular season (2020-2021 Bills, '22 Eagles, '19 and '23 Ravens) and teams that have more important things to concentrate on in the regular season so they can flip the switch when it really matters. The Ravens could absolutely, 100% be real this year, but no amount of regular season wins is going to prove that to anyone who's been here 6 years straight now and has heard it all every single year from different flavors of the week. If you want to impress more than the Skip Baylesses of the world, beat Patrick Mahomes first, then we'll talk. |
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There are some solid posters on the Ravens board I checked out, but the majority of it is essentially “We are gonna smash KC because our team is so awesome!” Nothing different than we heard from Titans fans, Niner fans, Bills fans, Bengals fans, and Eagles fans to name a few. Could they win? Sure. This isn’t the strongest Chiefs team of the Mahomes era. But a win (and blowout for that matter) is no guarantee. I do know that if they lose the usual excuses will fly. “Rigged!”, “Scripted!”, “Swift!”, “Goodell!” etc. They are so confident of their superiority that a loss to the scrappy Chiefs is unfathomable. Nothing else will explain a loss but some sort of conspiracy. No acknowledging that KC has played in 6 straight AFCCGs, 3 of the last 4 SBs while winning two of them. They are the defending champions for a reason. Personally I love this position. KC has already won multiple Lombardis. If they win, I get to enjoy another SB. If not, I look forward to next year. A loss won’t be as devastating as it will be to the self crowned Ravens. Look at Buffalo fans and their despair and hatred for KC. I respect the team and I really do like Jackson. If they win I will be pulling for them vs SF (if they make it). That respect doesn’t mean I will annoint them as some All Madden team that will blow out the Chiefs. |
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"The papers! Where are the papers?" purple 52
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Everyone rest easy. I was informed today by a raider fan at work that we are a lock to make the SB. The Chief/Bill divisional game had the highest rated viewership because of Travis/Taylor. The NFL will rig the AFCCG so we make the SB to keep the number of viewers high.
His advice was to take all the money you can risk and take KC on the money line. He says we're a lock. Now that he spoiled it I might not even watch the game. |
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My first jersey was Bill Kenney.
During the dark ages |
Aw man now they gone and dissed chiefzilla.
Can you give me a link on that money line? I'm gonna pay the tax on my 401k and let it ride. |
Can’t even muster up any GAF for the Ravens. They’re just … in the way.
Like last week, it’s house ****ing money the Chiefs are playing with. And unlike a few chronic delinquents, I’ll never doubt this QB. Going back to the last Chiefs team that won two playoff games on the road, they vanquished the defending world’s champion Jets with Joe Namath on the greatest goal line stand in AFL playoff history. Then went on the road to Oakland to win the last AFL title. Many similarities with this squad. Great defense. Timely offense that can be a big strike, but can cut you a thousand times, taking the flats and mid range over the middle. Like I said last week, this will be our favorite Chiefs team ever when all is said and done. |
Fans of the rat team today are no different than whiner fans from a few years back who were so overconfident in their team winning but failed to realize they were facing up against Patrick Lavon Mahomes the 2nd.
I can't see Lamar replicate what Allen did on Sunday against our defense. In fact, this game will be an easier win for the Chiefs based on the huge discrepancy at QB. |
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No ****s given. |
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Patrick just has a knack for winning games, whether he's favored or not. Because of that, the usual bravado from other teams' fans just seems tired. |
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To me it comes down to the Chiefs having multiple paths to victory, whereas the Ravens only have one: get an early lead and dominate the trenches.
OTOH the Chiefs could get a lead and watch Lamar try to come back, which rarely goes well in the postseason. Or the Chiefs could be down by 10 at halftime, IE - Mahomes' postseason sweet-spot. Or the two teams could play a back and forth nailbiter, and see who comes through during maximum sphincter time. |
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And it’s always a different team too. Like here’s the Baltimore Ravens turn to spin the wheel, trying to convince the real Chiefs fans how this is going to go… Seen it. Too many times. With opponents that were even better, on paper. |
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(Whispers) On a bad ankle (/Whispers) |
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Ravens fans are awfully cocky for a team that was getting its shit pushed in by a far inferior defense that had their QB in a blender for a half…
Houston gave the blueprint…they just didn’t have the guys to keep it going and their offense was so depleted it didn’t matter. That was still a game halfway through the 3rd…. We ain’t the ****ing Texans…. |
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The Ravens have won more Super Bowls in their 28-year history than the Titans, Bills, Bengals, and Eagles have combined in their entire histories. And for as touted as San Francisco is as a franchise, they haven't won a title since the Ravens have existed, and the Ravens are 6-2 against them all time. The Ravens have a pedigree that those other franchises don't. As to this season, the 2023 Ravens team aren't just a normal number one seed; by advanced metrics, they're historically great. Weighted DVOA has them as the best team ever tracked (the forum won't let me embed a link since I'm new, but here's the link: twitter.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1749454434705211633). The 2019 Chiefs are also on that list, and the 2020 Chiefs beat another team on that list, so anyone doubting the Chiefs is a fool. But again, the idea that the Ravens are no different than the Titans or Bengals is insulting. As a Ravens fan, I was rooting for the Chiefs to beat the Bills last week. Not because I think the Chiefs are an easier matchup; to the contrary, the Chiefs are the boogeyman even in a "down" year. The reason why I wanted the Chiefs is because if this Ravens team wants to be remembered as historically great, I want them to go through one of the best QBs/coaches of all time who are defending their crown. I'm confident in saying that the best team will win on Sunday; I'm just not sure which team that is. |
I'm not sure about what I'm reading in this thread but going Back to Back is as important to this team and fan base as any other teams desires. Right now winning isn't everything. It's the only thing. Back to Back! Dynasty! I guess on the flip side we just won it all twice in four years.
Back to Back! |
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I don't think you should be insulted by a comparison with the 2019 Tennessee Titans either. They took down Belichick & Brady in their house. They took down unanimous MVP Lamar Jackson with a 14-2 record and great defense backing him in Baltimore as well. That was a damn good Titans team. |
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We need to have him and Sneed play one on one so we can contain Lamar and the run game. |
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Compare to this Ravens team, which has the most victories over teams with winning records in NFL history--including the playoffs (proof: youtube.com/watch?v=vrAyCa9CDtc). They also have the most wins of 14+ points versus teams with winning records in NFL history (proof: twitter.com/FrontOfficeNFL/status/1741592576506069308). And they have at least three guys who are more likely than not to make the Hall of Fame (Harbaugh, Tucker, and Lamar) and two more who are young and already stack all pros (Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith). And again, the Ravens as a franchise have more championship-level pedigree than the Titans, Bills, Bengals, and Eagles all put together. All I'm saying is that if Ravens fans are confident, they have good reason to be. The only team with more of a right to be confident is... the Chiefs :thumb: |
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If Baltimore wins this game they will have absolutely earned whatever accolades y'all will recieve. |
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The Chiefs have been counted out many times, including by myself. I'm a pessimist by nature and haven't felt great about their chances all the time while watching them. They are the Cardiac Chiefs. They are capable of beating anyone and capable of losing to anyone as well. They don't blow out other teams. They usually don't beat the betting spread when they are favored by a lot of points. But they are absolutely capable of beating teams that are supposedly much more talented and better than them. The Niners and Eagles in the Super Bowl are good examples of that. I didn't feel good about KC's chances in that Buffalo game, knowing KC's sloppy problems on offense this year. I still think the sloppy mistakes on offense can absolutely ruin the season for the Chiefs, but they played clean enough against Buffalo to stay alive in the tournament. Hardman's fumble at the goal line is the type of crap they cannot do if they want to beat the Ravens, but they played a pretty great game on Offense outside of Hardman's mega blunder. |
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One thing I'll say though is that the last iteration of this brilliance was Brady/Belichick. And the Ravens were Patriots killers. We gave them their best game by far during their undefeated season in 2007. We destroyed them in Foxborough in the 2010 playoffs. Outplayed them and dropped the winning touchdown in the 2011 AFCCG in Foxborough; crushed them in the 2012 AFCCG in Foxborough. Lost but were up on them by 14 in the second half in Foxborough in the 2014 playoffs. And crushed them for their first loss in the 2019 season when they came into Baltimore at 8-0. Lots of reasons for Ravens fans to be confident. But maybe even more for Chiefs fans to be. |
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I would also never use the term weakness when referring to an offense with Kelce or Mahomes, but the offense just really hasn't scared anyone this year. I don't think KC has "found it" after their best offensive game of the year last week (based on DVOA). Combining that with the best ravens defense we've had in a long time, I really do like our chances. With any QB not named Mahomes, looking at the rest of the team, I think we easily win by 10+. But since Mahomes is who he is, I think it'll be closer. I am still very confident in my team, though! |
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One thing that surprised me looking at the stats is that the Ravens have some of the least amount of 4th down attempts in the National Football League. I feel like years prior they had some of the most. That makes me feel alot better that they may choose to punt on those 4th and 4s. Maybe it has just been a product of the game environment, them being up, protecting leads etc.
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But they did show some signs of life after their meltdown game against the Raiders on Christmas Day. Andy Reid supposedly trimmed down the playbook, benched a couple of WR's who have been a major problem. Patrick seems way more focused than he did a month ago. Kelce seems way more focused than he has looked all season as well. They've already made it further in the Playoffs than I expected after the Christmas game. So what the heck, let's roll the dice and see how it goes. It would be cool if this game turns into a pretty good shootout in the 4th quarter. |
Baltimore has a scary team this year, no denying it. But KC has the best coaching staff in the league. I have no doubt Andy will bring his guys well-prepared and ready to play. It's going to be a real test. I agree that this game will likely be tougher than the Super Bowl if we do make it that far. Baltimore is the 1 seed for a reason.
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I get the feeling this is going to be a "kitchen sink" game. The Ravens are going to debut some looks on both offense and defense (and knowing Harbaugh, special teams) that they've been saving all year for a moment like this. Ditto for the Chiefs. Should be fun. |
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Agree with you about Kelce. Much smarter guy than he pretends to be. Played QB in high school and seems to read the defenses about as well as Mahomes. He has slowed down a lot in recent years, but I think the knee injury right before the Detroit game (and maybe the ankle injury in Minnesota) have been contributing to his struggles this season. He said he plans to play next season, and I hope he can have a healthier run. See if he's got some extra juice in his step with healthier legs. |
Alright Ravens fans, it’s time for the real analysis.
Chris Jones’s dick famously flopped out while running the 40 at the combine. It’s huge. Which player on your team has the biggest? And is it bigger than Chris Jones’s? |
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I'm gonna go with Odafe Oweh. Not only because he's one of the freakiest physical specimens in the league and looks like he was carved out of stone. But also because he's the guy who the Ravens took in the first round after we dumped Orlando Brown Jr. on you, so I needed to find a way to work that dig in somehow ;) |
"Most team with winning records" marks don't mean that much when you realize that you are really only looking at the few years of 17 game seasons (there are significantly more teams with winning records now). It's like Philly's sack record from last year.
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I do get some pleasure knowing that Orlando went to the open market and found out the hard way that KC's offer to him was very fair. Bengals ended up paying him a lot less than what KC offered. Bunch of teams around the league told him they only wanted him at Right Tackle instead of Left Tackle. LMAO |
Chiefs win 20-10. Stifling defense with Jones, Sneed, McDuffie, and Bolton shitting all over them.
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The Bengals are the ones who got stuck holding the bag, which we can all celebrate LMAO |
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As Chiefs fans know all too well our games almost always come down to a couple plays and wins or losses depend on turnovers, goofy penalties, and ill-timed drops. When the Chiefs don’t do that they win. Every time in the Mahomes era. Every single time. I do find it amusing on the Ravens boards how they point to the Raider game as an example of how we get pushed around. They don’t seem to realize we were starting a rookie tackle because of injuries. Since Smith came back for the playoffs? Not a single sack surrendered. |
Rat fans,
Mahomes would be undefeated against Lamar if it weren't for MEH fumbling the ball in the game winning drive, the last time they played. He OWNS your team. Furthermore, he owns so called "nr.1" defenses of this league every time he plays them. His record against Top 5 defenses is 12-2. He is the greatest QB ever, statistically, in Championship title games. You will find out this coming Sunday when the greatness that is Patrick Lavon Mahomes the 2nd snatches the souls of your fandom and the city of Baltimore. |
Oh good, the Ravens fans are here
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If the Chiefs can win this game, then I think you could argue it's Mahomes' greatest win. On the road in one of the most difficult stadiums to be a visitor (the Ravens have the second most wins at home since 2000 after New England), against one of the best teams ever statistically (best weighted DVOA ever recorded), with perhaps the worst supporting cast Mahomes has had since his rookie year. This is a legacy game for whichever QB/team wins. |
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But I would argue this is the most hostile environment and best opponent he has likely ever faced. I'm glad he'll be healthy so that it will be a true test. |
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For all intents and purposes, that game last week was THE Super Bowl for Buffalo's fanbase. I truly believe their fanbase cared more about beating the Chiefs in that game than they do about winning any other games, including the actual Super Bowl itself. |
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Everyone knows that Arrowhead, Seattle, Lambeau, and Heinz Field are strong homefields, but I would put M&T Bank right up there. Pat McAfee was talking about that this week (x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1749818397876199566?s=20). Mahomes himself called it the loudest place he has played in alongside Seattle. A peek behind the curtain: my favorite analytics Ravens podcast (Filmstudy; truly excellent) had a whole episode last week instructing fans how to make as much noise as possible including by "barking" at the opposing quarterback and varying the pitch of your screaming rather than being monotone to play tricks' on the visitors' ears. There are big Ravens accounts on Twitter that are brokering ticket sales to make sure none go to Chiefs fans. And even though the Ravens have been in a bunch of AFCCGs, this is their first one at home, so there's a lot of anticipation. |
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With that said, Ravens win 34-20. |
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