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cosmo20002 02-13-2018 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13415883)
The lack of nuances in your thought process is astounding.

A single game elimination tournament is, by default, a crap-shoot to an extent.

The best teams have what, something like a 15% chance of winning it? In fact, the best team in the country rarely wins it. It takes a shitty shooting night from Devonte Graham for Kansas to lose to Oregon.

This is why every other ****ing sport has a SERIES in the post season. You know, to make those NOT crap-shoots.
When is game 2 of the Super Bowl?

jimidollar 02-13-2018 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 13415901)
When is game 2 of the Super Bowl?
That was Game 2. Game 1 was in 2005.

jimidollar 02-13-2018 07:56 PM
Svi missed badly on his last three and his last layup.

jimidollar 02-13-2018 08:07 PM
Hey, they won in Ames. Yay.

ping2000 02-13-2018 08:10 PM
Whew!

JoeyChuckles 02-13-2018 08:13 PM
Were there lots of boos? I couldn't watch tonight.

Mr_Tomahawk 02-13-2018 08:17 PM
Vick and Newman the two bright spots tonight.

Whod’a thunk?

Mr. Plow 02-13-2018 08:42 PM
Who let Cosmo out of DC?

Pants 02-13-2018 09:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 13415901)
When is game 2 of the Super Bowl?
How many games does it take for the best teams to get to the Super Bowl?

Football would do series too if it was physically possible.

HolyHandgernade 02-13-2018 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 13415974)
Vick and Newman the two bright spots tonight.

Whod’a thunk?
Dok, 9 of 10, 19 points.


HUUUUUGGGE

Prison Bitch 02-13-2018 10:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13415883)
The lack of nuances in your thought process is astounding.

A single game elimination tournament is, by default, a crap-shoot to an extent.

The best teams have what, something like a 15% chance of winning it? In fact, the best team in the country rarely wins it. It takes a shitty shooting night from Devonte Graham for Kansas to lose to Oregon.

This is why every other ****ing sport has a SERIES in the post season. You know, to make those NOT crap-shoots.
Myth. The title winner is nearly always a favorite. Pomeroy final ranking for the champ:


2002: 3
2003: 8
2004: 2
2005: 1
2006: 1
2007: 2
2008: 1
2009: 1
2010: 1
2011: 10
2012: 1
2013: 1
2014: 15
2015: 3
2016: 1
2017: 3


Uconn is the outlier in 2011 and 2014. Else, those numbers don't resemble a "crapshoot" at all.

Pants 02-13-2018 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13416179)
Myth. The title winner is nearly always a favorite. Pomeroy final ranking for the champ:


2002: 3
2003: 8
2004: 2
2005: 1
2006: 1
2007: 2
2008: 1
2009: 1
2010: 1
2011: 10
2012: 1
2013: 1
2014: 15
2015: 3
2016: 1
2017: 3


Uconn is the outlier in 2011 and 2014. Else, those numbers don't resemble a "crapshoot" at all.
So according to Kenpom's numbers which are based on the POST-Tournament rankings (I'm sure this is not statistically important at all), the best team in the country won 50% of the time during during the last 16 years.

Can you please now go fetch the same thing except maybe this time, show us the PRE-Tournament rankings?

KC_Connection 02-13-2018 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13416206)
So according to Kenpom's numbers which are based on the POST-Tournament rankings (I'm sure this is not statistically important at all), the best team in the country won 50% of the time during during the last 16 years.

Can you please now go fetch the same thing except maybe this time, show us the PRE-Tournament rankings?
Easy enough to look up.

2002: 4 (Maryland)
2003: 20 (Syracuse)
2004: 5 (UConn)
2005: 2 (UNC)
2006: 6 (Florida)
2007: 3 (Florida)
2008: 1 (Kansas)
2009: 3 (UNC)
2010: 2 (Duke)
2011: 15 (UConn)
2012: 1 (Kentucky)
2013: 1 (Louisville)
2014: 12 (UConn)
2015: 6 (Duke)
2016: 7 (Villanova)
2017: 3 (UNC)

Best team going into the tournament has won three times in the past 16 years in it (18.8% success rate). If it walks like a duck...

Prison Bitch 02-13-2018 11:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13416206)
So according to Kenpom's numbers which are based on the POST-Tournament rankings (I'm sure this is not statistically important at all), the best team in the country won 50% of the time during during the last 16 years.

Can you please now go fetch the same thing except maybe this time, show us the PRE-Tournament rankings?
Is that your argument? The most important games that mean the most shouldn't count? What an absurd opinion.

It doesn't help your logic anyway if a team does from 4 to 1 during the Tounrey (teams can't jump up to the top starting from a low number anyway, the Tourney is only 6/40 games played and as such, can't move the needle significantly)

If you're left with arguing that only 1 of the best teams can win and hence, several other equally-good contenders don't....welcome to sports.

Pants 02-14-2018 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13416228)
Easy enough to look up.

2002: 4 (Maryland)
2003: 20 (Syracuse)
2004: 5 (UConn)
2005: 2 (UNC)
2006: 6 (Florida)
2007: 3 (Florida)
2008: 1 (Kansas)
2009: 3 (UNC)
2010: 2 (Duke)
2011: 15 (UConn)
2012: 1 (Kentucky)
2013: 1 (Louisville)
2014: 12 (UConn)
2015: 6 (Duke)
2016: 7 (Villanova)
2017: 3 (UNC)

Best team going into the tournament has won three times in the past 16 years in it (18.8% success rate). If it walks like a duck...
So there's basically a 50% chance that one of the top 4 teams will win it all. Wow.

No wonder other sports play series.

In what other sport can the 6th, 7th, 12th, 15th, or even 20th best team in the country win the championship? Yikes.

I mean even in the NFL, the only egregious one I can recall in recent history was the 2011 Giants.


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