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Mecca 03-08-2023 12:01 PM

You all do know that if you don't think it's a rookie at LT then it's like Taylor Lewan right, options be limited.

Balto 03-08-2023 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16843665)
I thought i read he was expected to get $35M in 2023. Yeah i bet he's happy with that.

He is costing the Texans $35.21M in CAP in 2023. Tunsil's base, actually what he is putting in his pocket in 2023, is $18.5M. The remaining $16.710M was part of a signing bonus he got UPFFRONT.

If Veach trades for him it would of course come with a new contract BUT if not until next offseason the Chiefs would have a 2023 cap hit of only $18.5M. Again Veach would give him a new contract so that won't happen.

Texans will either give Tunsil a new contract this offseason OR trade him.

htismaqe 03-08-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16843720)
True and IIRC Reid had Fisher starting and protecting Alex from the get go. Stating the obvious but Alex isn't Pat and they hadn't won any SB's though.

I would rather not do that if we are sticking with pick #32

Eric Fisher played RT his rookie season and wasn't good at LT in his 2nd.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Even if we get the best LT prospect in the draft, there's still a good chance we need someone else at the position, even if just for a season.

Mecca 03-08-2023 12:03 PM

Broderick Jones is a really good fit for what the Chiefs do, almost all mocks have him falling into the 20's at the earliest for him being picked, hope for that cause Veach will probably go get him if he's still there at 23.

htismaqe 03-08-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16843724)
You all do know that if you don't think it's a rookie at LT then it's like Taylor Lewan right, options be limited.

Why can't they do BOTH?

Mecca 03-08-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16843728)
Eric Fisher played RT his rookie season and wasn't good at LT in his 2nd.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Even if we get the best LT prospect in the draft, there's still a good chance we need someone else at the position, even if just for a season.

That was also a bad draft in general, in most years Fisher would have been the 4th or 5th best OT prospect.

dirk digler 03-08-2023 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16843713)
Sorry, I'm going to double down on my last post:

Does Houston accept this trade?


HOU GETS:
Pick #31
LB Willie Gay OR CB LaJarius Sneed


KC GETS:
LT Laremy Tunsil

To get Tunsil Houston sent 2 first round picks, and a 2nd rd pick plus players and other picks.

Definitely would have to send 2 first rounders..

Mecca 03-08-2023 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16843732)
Why can't they do BOTH?

I'm not opposed to that either, it is kinda weird how so many people here are just 100% against anything to do with Lewan.

dirk digler 03-08-2023 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Balto (Post 16843727)
He is costing the Texans $35.21M in CAP in 2023. Tunsil's base, actually what he is putting in his pocket in 2023, is $18.5M. The remaining $16.710M was part of a signing bonus he got UPFFRONT.

If Veach trades for him it would of course come with a new contract BUT if not until next offseason the Chiefs would have a 2023 cap hit of only $18.5M. Again Veach would give him a new contract so that won't happen.

Texans will either give Tunsil a new contract this offseason OR trade him.

They actually don't have to do anything as they have $40 million in cap space with Tunsil's huge cap hit.

DJ's left nut 03-08-2023 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16843735)
That was also a bad draft in general, in most years Fisher would have been the 4th or 5th best OT prospect.

Nah.

I think most years he's 2 or 3 at OT at worst. He was a really good OT prospect. His tools were outstanding - he was just green.

The problem was that the draft was super weak everywhere else.

Fisher had a 10 year career with multiple pro bowls and was instrumental in several playoff runs and a championship run. 90% of guys drafted in any given year won't play anywhere near that level. A good chunk of guys who go 1.1 don't.

I think Fisher's a top 10 pick most years. He was a good prospect.

RunKC 03-08-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16843714)
At LT? With Mahomes at QB?

No, they don't HAVE to do anything. They should, and likely will, explore every option available.

It’s interesting that Brett Veach held his ground and this happened right after the combine. He didn’t budge from last year.

Do we think these guys haven’t looked into options? You think they are just winging it?

The fact that Brett came back from the combine and told Orlando and his agent to **** off makes me wonder if they like this tackle class.

htismaqe 03-08-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16843737)
I'm not opposed to that either, it is kinda weird how so many people here are just 100% against anything to do with Lewan.

To me, the only move that makes sense is to draft one AND sign one. I'm not even really caring about the "who" at this point.

I just want them to employ a sound and prudent strategy. That's all. You can't put all of your eggs in either basket because the options are just too limited and the stakes are too high. Unless they've got another OBJ-like trade up their sleeves and they know they're getting a starter, they've got to have both a plan and a backup plan.

Mecca 03-08-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16843744)
Nah.

I think most years he's 2 or 3 at OT at worst. He was a really good OT prospect. His tools were outstanding - he was just green.

The problem was that the draft was super weak everywhere else.

Fisher had a 10 year career with multiple pro bowls and was instrumental in several playoff runs and a championship run. 90% of guys drafted in any given year won't play anywhere near that level. A good chunk of guys who go 1.1 don't.

I think Fisher's a top 10 pick most years. He was a good prospect.

Alright that's possible what I should have said is in most drafts he gets picked like 12th not 1st.

Mecca 03-08-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16843750)
To me, the only move that makes sense is to draft one AND sign one. I'm not even really caring about the "who" at this point.

I just want them to employ a sound and prudent strategy. That's all. You can't put all of your eggs in either basket because the options are just too limited and the stakes are too high. Unless they've got another OBJ-like trade up their sleeves and they know they're getting a starter, they've got to have both a plan and a backup plan.

I certainly like Lewan a hell of a lot more than Donovan Smith.

htismaqe 03-08-2023 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16843745)
It’s interesting that Brett Veach held his ground and this happened right after the combine. He didn’t budge from last year.

Do we think these guys haven’t looked into options? You think they are just winging it?

The fact that Brett came back from the combine and told Orlando and his agent to **** off makes me wonder if they like this tackle class.

Who said anything about them "winging it"?

I'm advocating the exact opposite.

Taking a LT in the draft without having a contingency plan? That's "winging it".


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