21 whole points.

Thanks, Alice.

Alex has played pretty damn well the last couple of games, save a few bad mistakes. That just isn't enough evidence to make me suddenly support the guy and think he's the answer.

I suppose if two game sample sizes are good enough for everybody, then Marcus Cooper is obviously our long term answer at CB.

He's a gunslinger, and is going to gamble way more than you like. He's going to have a lot of what the **** moments. And I'm just not a big fan of him as a leader. He's completely emotionless out there. He's bar none a more talented QB out there. I think it's a reach that people are trying to act like he's going to play any better than Smith did the last 2 games.

Don't trade in a retread for a retread. Keep Smith, draft a QB early, and get the next guy ready to take over when Smith is undoubtedly going to get hurt again.

I really think that's impossible to know without being there every day.

LOLOLOLOLOL.

Do you realize what franchise we're talking about?

I'm A ok with this part...

Problem is, that with Smith here, the Chiefs are not going to draft an early round QB. This I believe, is the main reason why most of us do not want AS around. That and well, he is not a winner to begin with.

Cutler was entirely hypothetical in response to Sacc's question about what the Chiefs could do other than stand by their man.

He's an OK upgrade from Smith (12-15 QB in the league rather than 16-20ish) but not a major one. If you could do it for $2 million more a year or so, it would be worth it.

Of course, since Cutler is a 2014 FA and Smith is under contract for another year, it's all just discussion.

This one I actually know. I know someone who played on the line with him. Said he gets a bad rep for being a dick but he didn't agree with that (don't know if he was just being political here). He's actually really quiet. He's actually kind of quiet and pretty emotionless.

But there's some red flags based on the stories and I doubt the guy I know would actually call him out on it. He hasn't done a good job hiding his temper against teammates and coaches. Including a public feud with Tice. And there's plenty of smoke including public comments from teammates that lead you to believe he's not really that well liked in the locker room.

I feel exactly the same with what I bolded. I also agree with the "quiet" comments but not every leader is exceptionally vocal nor needs to be. Different strokes for different folks.


Additionally, I wouldn't hold the comments about Tice against him. I suspect that's just a bad personality mesh + Jay being bitter about Martz.

His first year he finished, but he was given the job when the starter wasn't winning. He finished his 2nd year out.

so going for 3/9.

07 and 08 are lost to the same injury..it was pretty major.

09 he was coming back from injury and took his job back halfway into the season.

10 he had an injury and Troy Smith took the job for a couple of games until defenses figured him out and they went back to Alex.

11 the concussion injury would not have kept him out except for the rule change...otherwise he probably would have finished that year out...and maybe Kaep would be playing for KC and no one would have followed because we wouldn't know what Kaep could do.

But yes, he does seem to get injured often.

He made the throws...

You should be complaining about TDs to the people dropping them.

We aren't talking about Tony Moeaki... :p

Every time Alex was injured his coaches replaced him...he had to fight to get his job back.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and throws ducks, it's probably Alex Smith.

The dude is known for tapping out at 21-22 PPG his whole career. So, not surprised we only scored 21 against Denver. Or in any game.

or the endzone INT and failing on the deciding series near the goalline at the end of the game.

If the Chiefs D has come out from under the covers, they could learn a lot from this game.

At least 2 other scores were left on the field when Alex put up money throws and the receivers let us down.

We should have scored in the 40s against Denver and SD.

That's kind of splitting hairs though. I don't think the difference in a 12-15ish qb and a 16-20 ish qb is necessarily one that determines a sb etc.

No one is kidding themselves here in thinking Alex is ever going to be one to shoulder an elite offense by himself like a Manning or Brady will. I know that, you know that.

But (and this gets skewed because the same argument was made for Matt cassel, when it's just not the same in this instance) if you put elite or near elite players around smith, who's to say he isn't a top 12-15 ish qb? If you believe he can, that 2 million could make a difference in who you can bring in.

Obviously you'd love to have Aaron Rodgers who you can pay top dollar and take the hit of surrounding talent cause he's that good. But those guys aren't growing on trees (I know I know gotta try etc) and I don't know if you read the articles that the nflphilosophy guy wrote, but unless you have a guy who's gonna carry you're team, I dunno that I'd invest heavily in said qb.

Alex smith included for that matter.

Peyton's receivers dropped passes too. You think drops don't happen to elite QBs?

Only on CP does Alex Smith get a pass because his receivers drop them.

They did? Did smith go into a shell when our guys dropped balls? No, he kept throwing it. It was encouraging

The Broncos WRs have dropped 22 balls this year.

Chiefs WRs? 17.

Sheeeit.

Get a pass?

Dude, he threw for 293 yards and ran for another 46.

He could have had 450 yards of total offense if is receivers would have helped him out.

I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Avery is replaced by Hemmingway in the starting lineup going forward after the last couple games. I can't see how Alex can still have any trust in Avery.

Avery had 91 yards and a TD against the Chargers. I don't think he's in danger of being replaced anytime soon.

Depends on where you look.

On 610 after the game, they were rattling off stats that we were 4th in the NFL in drops going into the game with 23 and that we were credited with 5 more drops in the Denver game.

They also referenced that Andy Reid wasnt happy about the drops after the game and how he said that he values a receivers ability to make the catch above all else.

I'm betting that Avery is on thin ice.

Should be.

Every QB needs at least one dependable target. We don't have one guy we can depend on with great hands...

We aren't talking about the entire season. We all know Alex Smith has been shit most of the season. We're talking about a strong performance against Denver. AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped passes that I think were 20+ yards. Donnie Avery dropped a pass that I think was around 30 yards (second time he's done that in 3 weeks). One 3 and out was the result of 2 drops.

We're not talking about receivers dropping screen passes or muffed passes. We're talking about drops on perfectly thrown balls, and many of them for big yardage. Who would have guessed that one of our most reliable hands guy for intermediate throws would be McCluster.

Smith finally ups his game and the entire rest of the team $#its the bed...

I'm not giving up hope. Cooper is a young guy and is going to grow with experience, as long as he doesn't lose his confidence. I am hoping that the loss takes pressure off us to win out at all costs, which hopefully gives us opportunities to rest our defense and Jamaal Charles.

If Smith continues to play at this rate, our defense is rested up, and we can continue to see improvements from Cooper and our young guys, maybe we can steal a game or two in the playoffs. And fully understand that while I'm pleased with Smith's growth, he has to close drives late in games too.

Also in 2006, he is one of only 3 or 4 Qbs in history of NFL to not only start and play all 16 games, but actually play every single snap start to finish. His shoulder injury was a fluke hit by the Seattle nose tackle and then the moron Mike Nolan threw him under the bus when he wasnt healthy, ran him back out there and his shoulder was injured again. He is a tough QB and playin some pretty good ball right now.

Percentage?

Everytime i see your posts, I get this image of a child. You're telling me peyton's receivers dropped deep passes that were crucial in the game? i only remember a couple of drops. there were 5 in 3rd quarter/beginning of 4th alone. our wrs dropped game changing deep passes that would've at least given us field goals.

Please. It sickens me when you talk like a child. All you're trying to do is save face from all the smith bashing you've done prior and that's why you say dumb stuff like that. You don't have to be a fan of him but don't say stupid stuff when smith has been the bright spot of our team recently. Child, please.

Doing some digging into the drive charts, the drop passes by Avery occurred on a drive that the Chiefs scored on.

The only legit dropped pass gripes were the one drive when AJ Jenkins and Fasano dropped balls.

It's NOT giving Smith a pass to talk about the Wrs drops. It's just not ignoring them to hate Alex Smith like you do

That has actually been one of his strengths in the past. But of course, it's not going to happen every time. Over all, he played a pretty damn good game I thought. And while every QB has to deal with drops, the number of drops he had to deal with on Sunday was just ridiculous.

you Q'd me, but it might have been in another thread

Good summary.

Avery dropped a pass that led to a long 3rd and 14, which was bailed out by a good pitch and catch by Smith to Jenkins. Avery dropped a pass on the 6 yard line which was bailed out by a good catch and run by McCluster (gained 5 yards and would have scored a TD if not for a facemasking penalty).

I don't remember where else there were drops. I could swear that Avery also dropped a back shoulder pass too.

Wow, what an unbelievable accomplishment! They must have been behind quite a bit that year.

Yup. Sure were.

The dropped passes matter whether the Chiefs went on to score or not.
That argument is moot imo.
They are game changers energy builders momentum builders confidence creators.
Even watching on TV you could hear/sense the crowd throw up in their laps on a couple of the dropped balls that were key.
It seems apparent that Reid decided going into the Hard part of our schedule it was time to let the offense play and see what they were capable of.
By offense I of course mean Alex throwing the ball past the line of scrimmage.
I doubt Reid expected our Defense to fall off the charts this bad.
And if it did not we wouldn't of lost to the Bolts and could've split with the donks.
That said back to the dropped passes.
As many of you have said there is no one rock solid player who the Chiefs can be sure 9 out of 10 times will come down with the ball.
On just about every other team you can name the go to guy.
I hate to bring this up but Tony G was that guy for soooo many yrs.
3rd and 11 incoming play to Tony.
Last yr it seemed Bowe might be the guy ..the beginning of this yr it seemed Avery might be...sprinkle in the Beard...
But no nobody has become the go to guy that Alex/Reid need.
So yes all these drops matter whether we went on to score or not they've hurt the confidence they've hurt the way play calls might've gone.
I think Reid needs to see what Hemmingway can really do and I suspect hes going to do just that.. its 90% that we will be the 5th seed so its time to see whos going to step up...
..interviews take place on the field of battle.

I was 50/50 on Alex from signing right thru the bye week.
And like many no matter how odd it may be I feel Way better about the Alex I've seen thru the 3 game losing skid.

As Solid as your post is, every time I try to explain that the Chiefs have probably the weakest set of skill position players in the league, I get shouted down.

Its all Alex Smiths fault that we don't see the potential of these great play makers. A team so studly at the wide receiver positions that last years number three receiver for the Colts, wasn't kept, and instead replaced with another first round bust in Darius Heyward-Bey, and you know how impressive your wideouts are when Dexter McCluster, all 5'7 of him, is your slot receiver.

And not to mention the AMAZING set of tight ends.

Fasano, the journeyman, who is a fine second or third tight end. McGrath, who has seen his star fade a bit, Kelce who could of been good but looks to be a carbon copy of Tony Brokiaki.

The Chiefs in the worst way, need to upgrade. I think that Charles, Knile has real potential. But the wideouts have to be upgraded, and Alex Smiths Binky has always been the Tight end. They must address that as well. And they will.

The weakest set of skill position players in the league?

Nah.

Bottom half of the league? Sure.

Just having Bowe and Charles puts them in the middle of the pack.

Because you are wrong. Like Boss said, Charles & Bowe puts us middle of the pack.

Nope, not talking about charles. Name the teams that are worse at just wr/te than the chiefs.

Charles isn't a skill position player?

WHAT

THE

****

???

I'm strictly talking about receivers and tight ends.

Everyone knows how great Charles is.

Not taking into account all the good players, Alex Smith has nothing to work with. /Smithfans

Awww. Like i said. Tell me the teams in the league that are worse than the chiefs at wr/te. Good luck!

Couldn't name a single WR on the Patriots and Gronkowski has only played in half the games.

Who the **** is Matt Ryan throwing to besides a not what he used to be Gonzalez?

Charles is Smiths #1 target. I'll take Charles over 5 starts from Gronkowski and a 37 yr old Gonzalez. Oh and Dwayne Bowe... he's not a scrub like some of you dumb ****ing Smith ballwashers want to believe.

The Chiefs are pretty good at the top in weapons. But sadly after Bowe and Charles the drop off is pretty big. Hemingway has some promise to help that out if they give him more playing time. But outside Bowe and Charles I can't say I like any of the weapons. And Smith is a QB that needs a very good set of weapons to be good. If Hemingway can keep improving and they can get a good TE then I think the weapons around Smith will be pretty good.

Amendola, Edelman? I'd take Edelman as a slot over mccluster everyday oh the week.

Ya, I'd definitely taking Amendola and Edelman over Charles and Bowe, but hey... at least one of them MIGHT be better than McCluster. Alex Smith needs more tools to work with!

The one constant in all of the 49ers years of shit talent, through all of their coaching changes, was Alex Smith. When the 49ers started playing better and were looked at as a legitimate anual SB contender, they canned his ass.

I think anyone would

Ryan has had two legitimate #1 receivers for the last few years. Take both them away and all of a sudden Ryan isn't doing too well now is he? What a shocker! I don't know if it's the contract or what but Bowe just simply isn't the same player out there as before. Before he would give as many great plays as boneheaded ones and now it's more boneheaded than anything else.

In case I wasn't clear in SEPTEMBER!!!!

Amendola, Edelman, Boykin?

Roddy White, Harry Douglas?

They are correct. You must account for Charles. Since we are talking about the passing game he represents about 16% of the passing game. Which is more than it should be because of the lack of receiving talent outside of Bowe.

Roddy White has been hurt all year, but has tried to play through them.

Harry Douglas and 37 year old Gonzalez are all that's left in Atlanta.

Even with that, this year he has:

Averages 290 yards per game
Has a 90qb rating
Completing 66% of his throws
Has just under 3500 yards passing and 19tds with 4 games remaining.

HE IS ON PACE FOR 4,600 YARDS AND 26 TOUCHDOWNS.

Yeah, the guy is obviously trash.

CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT PREMIER TALENT AROUND HIM...

:facepalm:

That's NOT what you said.

You said "I keep telling people that KC has the worst skill position players in the league."

Damn.

That's like a really good game for Alex.

And Matt Ryan averages that?

Damn.

On pace for 4600 and 26tds

HE ISN'T A GUY THAT RAISES THE LEVEL OF PLAY OF HOSE AROUND HIM.

Just wait till next year when he gets back a ****ton of good players and adds a strong draft class to the mix.

Sam Baker
Sean Weatherspoon
Kroy Bierman
Roddy White
Julio Jones

With their record, they might draft someone like Clowney to add to that defense, too.

Alice slurpers love small sample sizes. Two good games against bad defenses (both losses) and they're thumping their chests.

Also love how the Alice slurpers pretend that Alice is the only QB in history whose WR's have ever dropped a pass.

Clearly he MUST have an all pro line and several all pro WR to be any good. Poor Matt Ryan.

Over the last three games, Alex has averaged about 272 I believe. Of course, you can't just wipe out earlier games in the season from the analysis.

Still, if the last three games evidence a shift in coaching / offensive philosophy, Alex just may have moved into the top 10. If it goes back to the conservative mode, well............

Why then is Atlanta losing games, you might ask.

How about the defense allowing 28+ points per game (4th WORST) and 385 yards (7th worst) in the league?

Maybe because they have THE LEAGUES WORST THIRD DOWN DEFENSE?

Opponents convert 47% of their third downs on Atlanta.

What's his team's record again?

Atlantas defense is also 8th in penalties and is second to last in red zone defense.

To note: I love it how when Alex Smith was playing well below average football, but was winning games, the common response to his level of play was always 8-0 woohoo...but Matt Ryan gets dragged through the mud for win loss record even though he is on pace for a career year and the defense is one of the worst in all of football in nearly every relevant category.

59-31 since he became the teams starter.

23 of those wins coming on game winning drives.

That is kinda the point, QB's get far too much credit for wins and for too much blame for loses.

Let's not forget that he's also on pace to throw 16 picks, that Atlanta is tied for 30th in rushing offense and they might win 5 games this year. Atlanta had 4 games this year where they couldn't put up more than 13 points. The Chiefs lowest point total has been 17.

It's not like 16 picks is a crazy number, though.

Especially given that his passing game is LITERALLY the only thing that team has.

Their running game and defense are dumpster fires.

When your defense is constantly giving up 30+ points, OF COURSE you are going to throw some picks. You are throwing the ball a lot trying to keep up.

That's hard to do when the defense doesn't respect your running game or receivers.

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http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...fire-for-drops

How is catch rate figured?

Overall completion percentage?

Poor Geno has even worse WR's than Alex.

Just not fair for the guy.

Geno has done a great job hitting weapons. Those weapons just play for the other team o:-)

The Chiefs Offense is top 10 in points scored per game. Atlanta not even top 20.

Smith is on pace to throw for 20 td's with 8 picks, I'll take that combined with our top 10 in rushing points per game.

Amazing how many excuses are fair game for every OTHER team's QB but your very own. :harumph:

The same excuses they get mad about for people using with Alex :facepalm: