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*****OFFICIAL 2013 Kansas City Chiefs Training Camp Thread***** (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=274697)

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 9851037)

Went today. My brief and humble thoughts...

I miss River Falls. Much easier to get around. Much better sight lines. Better to see the whole of the action without moving around a ton.

That said...

Standouts:
Really hard to tell, as it was rarely 1s vs 1s, but,

Albert
Hudson
Charles
Hemingway
Poe and Powe
Houston
D Johnson
Sean smith
Edgar Jones
DeVito

Not bad, but not great
T Jax
Chavis
Schwartz
Toribio
Wylie
Fisher

Had a bad day;
Alex Smith
Baldwin
Kush (awful)

I wasn't terribly impressed with Knile Davis. Thought he played soft.
I see the intrigue with Bray. Looks the part. Amazing arm.
Smith was bad, even against air. I refuse to bitch and moan about him. There's enough of that on the board, and it's boring as hell. Plus, what's done is done. Obviously it's just one day... But he looked BAD.
Kelce had a rough morning. Missed a couple, and fumbled during two-minute.
Wylie looks real good. Quick and fast. Lets hope he can stay out of the tub.
A lot more motion and shifts than we've seen, maybe since the Vermiel days.
Not a ton of yelling by the coaches. Lots of teaching. But it's still very disciplined. I think they have the respect of the players, and don't have to peel paint to keep it.
I really like the little things they are working on, that I never really saw in previous camps. Hand placement and replacement. Hip movement to beat blocks. Alignment. Playing vs pulls, traps and doubles. Very intentional drills, rather than busywork that I feel I used to see. To expand, what I mean is, in the river falls days, you'd see the lines hit the hell out of the sleds. While that's important, that type of movement is only part of what builds skills on the line. They hit the sleds today, but also then worked on those other things I mentioned, which will make them (hopefully) better at shedding blocks and being part of the play. The same thing was happening Offensively. Just very intentional drills focused on body movements they'll actually use rather than pushing a sled 20 yards.

Good report, there is actually something worth reading in this thread sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 9851452)

No actually what I said was thats 100% on Smith just like Stafford's record against winning teams is 100% on him.

Correct?

One, I didn't single out anyone. Plenty of folks were bashing him, and then disappeared.

But, to respond directly to you - you are correct - you did make the above comment.

But the comment itself is 100% incorrect, as someone else pointed out.

The QB only has control over the number of points the offense scores.

Alex Smith led offenses have scored 30+ points in 10% of his games.

Stafford led offense have scored 30+ points in 30% of his starts - and he's lost 4 games when scoring 30+ points and 2 games when scoring 40+ points.

Stafford led offenses score an average of 25 points a game. There's no way in hell I'm blaming a guy that averages 25 points a game.

Smith? 19 points a game.

Hmmm.

I wonder why he has a shit record when the opposition scores 24 points or more?

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9851446)

I gotta laugh at the "no separation" thing.

Know why there's no separation between Bowe and his guy? Because there are no speed guys to challenge defenses deep to force the secondary to back off and play with a cushion. And even if we have those speed guys, they're ****ing worthless if the (say it with me) QUAR-TER-BACK isn't worth an ounce of AIDS.

You saw what arguably the best WR in the NFL in Larry Fitzgerald was forced to become without a real QB. And hell, at least he's got some actual legit company helping out in the WR corps.

There won't be any separation until teams start ACTUALLY fearing our QB. And I'm not talking about them fearing his ability to not make mistakes and win games against shitty teams. I'm talking about them fearing his ability to potentially burn them with a big play at ANY GIVEN MOMENT.

Alex is likely not that guy. So until then, people need to sit back and shut the **** up about "no separation" from our WRs. We could be set up with Dwayne Bowe, Calvin Johnson, and a speed guy like Mike Wallace and we still probably wouldn't get the "separation" that these asshole true fans are looking for.

It's shocking how people don't get that it all works together. And then the more tidbits I hear about Geno's live arm, accuracy, and the way he's quickly grasping that offense, the more aggravating it is to know he's going to be completely wasted on that jet's team. Tyler Bray or bust!

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9850708)

Really, I think we'll be okay(ish) at WR2. I know Avery is far from a given even when he's healthy, but I like to think we have enough speed at the position now to at least open up stuff in the slot. If anything, I'd like to see a real slot guy instead of this McCluster/Wylie trainwreck we have going on right now.

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9851446)

So, do we have enough speed at WR or don't we? You seem confused.

I heard Geno is outperforming Sanchez @Jets camp.

Can anyone confirm?

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Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9851634)

I heard Geno is outperforming Sanchez @Jets camp.

Can anyone confirm?

Cue Claynus in 3..2..1

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Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9851634)

I heard Geno is outperforming Sanchez @Jets camp.

Can anyone confirm?

I've heard no INTs for Geno to several for Sanchez in the last few practices. Rex Ryan said everybody loves the guy with the 96mph fastball - referring to geno. Pretty much the only "negative" I've heard is that Geno's conditioning isn't as good as Sanchez's.

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Originally Posted by AdumbGuy (Post 9851645)

I was being facetious, man.

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Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9851651)

I was being facetious, man.

oh, I'm being adumbguy, then.

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9851212)

Where?

It was dj's left nut.

In this thread somewhere
Posted via Mobile Device

BTW, during 1v1 pass rush, Houston worked exclusively from the right side, and I believe Hali was exclusively from the left.

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9851212)

Where?

It was in the Bray thread, IIRC, and he didn't say that. '

He said he looked the part physically, but in terms of mechanics and offensive understanding, he's way lacking at this point.

Which is to be expected.

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Originally Posted by Sully (Post 9851697)

BTW, during 1v1 pass rush, Houston worked exclusively from the right side, and I believe Hali was exclusively from the left.

Interesting. Wonder if Houston will be the weakside rusher this year.

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 9851629)

So, do we have enough speed at WR or don't we? You seem confused.

We don't, but a better WR isn't going to change much.

You still gotta have a QB that defenses fear and respect if you want them to unglue themselves to your receivers

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9851703)

Interesting. Wonder if Houston will be the weakside rusher this year.

It's my opinion that Hali, if he hasn't already begun to, is about to drastically fall off the cliff (I hope I'm wrong). If that's the case, I like the proactive thinking.
I also liked what Jones brought to the table today. Last year he was great on special teams, but I think he could contribute defensively this year.
Although... It was just one practice.