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Gravedigger 11-09-2015 11:09 PM

Even that one big black guy had to be held back by his friend saying, "Dont change his story." or something like that.

Mob mentality. If a group of people think its fun, it must be legal, right?

Pitt Gorilla 11-09-2015 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 11872777)
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Man, that's a lot of stupid. Not sure how those ladies don't know better.

patteeu 11-10-2015 09:13 AM

Garry Pinkel did the wrong thing by "supporting his players" in this ridiculous drama. The right thing to do as a coach or as a "father" of these young men would have been to teach them how to behave like civilized men instead of getting involved in this infantile tantrum poorly disguised as a protest, or at the very least to have refused to get involved.

In his press conference, Pinkel tried to distance himself from the protest by saying he was just supporting his kids like a "father" would without really even considering the protest's demands, but that's impossible to do, IMO. He had to know that he was throwing the University president, if not the reputation of the entire university, under the bus and he couldn't have really believed that he had to act, in this way, at this time, to save Jonathan Butler's life.

Terrible.

Mr_Tomahawk 11-10-2015 09:17 AM

What a terrible mess.

Bob Dole 11-10-2015 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 11873492)
Man, that's a lot of stupid. Not sure how those ladies don't know better.

CBS reported that one of the morons is a journalism professor.

duncan_idaho 11-10-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11873749)
CBS reported that one of the morons is a journalism professor.

Which one? The one that was calling for "muscle?" That's Katie Click, a communications professor (for now) at Mizzou. A journalism professor would know better. Hell, a communications professor should know better.

I can understand confusion there, I guess, as at most schools communications and journalism are part of the same program/school. At Mizzou, communications is where a lot of washouts from the journalism sequence end up.

Bob Dole 11-10-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11873458)
Re: people not having issues with Loftin before planned parenthood, that's not what I've heard.

I've got friends in the business, j-school, CAFNR, and law schools. Every single one of them reported dissatisfaction with Loftin long before the PP deal.

Loftin was seen by many as a self-aggrandizing, ineffective chancellor long before this happened. And he has had trouble connecting with boosters.

He has established a pattern of making decisions without consulting anyone they effect (Greek system, departments, etc).

Every faculty everywhere dislikes their administration.

Bob Dole knows Bowen, and he is a good man who has the university's best interest in mind. That isn't to say that he can't make mistakes, but to try to paint him as some sort of self-centered bastard is just off.

Bob Dole 11-10-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11873751)
Which one? The one that was calling for "muscle?" That's Katie Click, a communications professor (for now) at Mizzou. A journalism professor would know better. Hell, a communications professor should know better.

I can understand confusion there, I guess, as at most schools communications and journalism are part of the same program/school. At Mizzou, communications is where a lot of washouts from the journalism sequence end up.

It wasn't clear whether they were referring to the redhead or the blonde who charged in and almost chest bumped the photog, then demanded he get out of HER personal space.

petegz28 11-10-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11873751)
Which one? The one that was calling for "muscle?" That's Katie Click, a communications professor (for now) at Mizzou. A journalism professor would know better. Hell, a communications professor should know better.

I can understand confusion there, I guess, as at most schools communications and journalism are part of the same program/school. At Mizzou, communications is where a lot of washouts from the journalism sequence end up.

Melissa Click...

visit her Twitter at @melissaclick

And 2 days prior to the protest she sent out tweets asking for media coverage

DJ's left nut 11-10-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 11873058)
You nailed this subject in several of your posts, IMO. What's your opinion of what GP did? Did you hear the press conference with him and Mack Rhodes?

Pinkel drilled it - just absolutely nailed it. Make that guy the University President for all I care.

He couldn't have walked the line any better. He came out early and issued a statement of support for his players (not a statement regarding the righteousness of the cause). And when it was said and done and he had an opportunity to expound, he said exactly what he should have - my support was about a players right to be a student.

And to that degree he's right. Students should be allowed to say whatever dumb shit they want to say - it's part of being a college student. At 20 yrs old with your first taste of freedom, you have no idea how the world works, you're easily inflamed and you've now become subject to as many little echo chambers as you could possibly want to be in (I guess they call those 'safe zones' now). Stupid protests are part of what college life is about and ultimately, football players are welcome to do so.

About the only thing I could have seen him do any differently was also say something encouraging players to express themselves and their ideas but to remember that freedom of expression doesn't create any immunity from consequences. But really, even that may simply have been more words than needed.

Pinkel had a lot to lose here and very little to gain. He needed to be extremely careful in how he handled it and in the end, he did a perfect job salvaging a situation that could've absolutely imploded on him.

Mr. Plow 11-10-2015 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 11872777)
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I hate people.

duncan_idaho 11-10-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11873758)
It wasn't clear whether they were referring to the redhead or the blonde who charged in and almost chest bumped the photog, then demanded he get out of HER personal space.

The redhead is Click, I believe. Still inexcusable for a comm professor to make those kind of statements. I think I would have heard by now if any journalism profs were involved (that would be out, at least in Mizzou Mafia circles, by now if it had happened).

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11873753)
Every faculty everywhere dislikes their administration.

Bob Dole knows Bowen, and he is a good man who has the university's best interest in mind. That isn't to say that he can't make mistakes, but to try to paint him as some sort of self-centered bastard is just off.

I don't know him personally, just sharing what I have heard.

I was surprised when I first heard a friend in the journalism school voicing displeasure with Loftin's leadership (And considering him ineffective), so I asked around with a few other faculty/staff I know. I was shocked that the displeasure with his leadership was unanimous. Pretty diverse group of opinions here, so for all of them to think he stinks shocked me.

I understand why the English dept. would be displeased - as part of his mission (as given by the BoC) to shore up AAU status, resources had to be shifted to departments that help make that happen.

But for privileged/important departments like the journalism and business school to have such a dim view of his leadership tells me it isn't just sour grapes at resources being shufffled around/away.

The one that really shocked me was hearing how disliked Loftin (and Wolfe, for that matter) is in the donor circles (And the person who shared that with me is someone who works in those circles as well, so it's not just smoke). Their ability to fundraise has been a big disappointment.

duncan_idaho 11-10-2015 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 11873761)
Melissa Click...

visit her Twitter at @melissaclick

And 2 days prior to the protest she sent out tweets asking for media coverage

Whoops. Yeah, her actions are inexcusable, and she's going to find herself being asked to be successful elsewhere rather shortly.

It's the type of thing that can lead to a prof being relieved of duties mid-term.

DJ's left nut 11-10-2015 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11873751)
Which one? The one that was calling for "muscle?" That's Katie Click, a communications professor (for now) at Mizzou. A journalism professor would know better. Hell, a communications professor should know better.

I can understand confusion there, I guess, as at most schools communications and journalism are part of the same program/school. At Mizzou, communications is where a lot of washouts from the journalism sequence end up.

Any adult that doesn't have her head up her own ass would have known better.

This is just so much self-congratulatory bullshit. So many coddled little snowflakes that can't stand thoughts/opinions that may differ from their own. And a hell of a lot of faculty that gets off on enabling that crap.

Academia has become a total shit show.

petegz28 11-10-2015 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11873772)
Any adult that doesn't have her head up her own ass would have known better.

This is just so much self-congratulatory bullshit. So many coddled little snowflakes that can't stand thoughts/opinions that may differ from their own. And a hell of a lot of faculty that gets off on enabling that crap.

Academia has become a total shit show.

a typical tactic of someone who knows they are in the wrong is to shout down, talk over or otherwise prevent any objective review\rebuttal to their argument.


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