Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11972808)

I don't think we're going to sign him either. I just kind of want to get it over with so it's done.

I think it's all on Dayton... no way he wants to be paying someone $20M per when they're 34, 35, 36. Moore CAN afford him, but he won't want to. It was either Mellinger or McCullough that wrote earlier that Royals scouts think he's already lost a step in the field. They've spent the whole offseason trying to soften the blow because it will be a major PR hit.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11972788)

I'm probably in the minority but as much as I like and have appreciated Gordon's play, I think it would be foolish to give him a 5/80+ contract.

He's had significant injuries the past two seasons and at his age, future injuries are likely.

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11972847)

Under a new TV deal, maybe?

Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11972858)

Completely agree. If this team ties up that much money in Alex Gordon, we are out of the running when Hosmer, Moose, Cain, Escobar and Davis are all free agents after the 2017 season. We may wind up losing most of those guys anyway, but I'd like to at least have a shot at retaining them.

If Alex Gordon were 5 years younger or if the Royals were a big market team, keeping him would be an easy decision. But neither of those things are true.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11972880)

I would generally agree. Re-signing Hos will no doubt be tough... but if you're going to offer a $20+M a year contract... I'd rather give it to Hos. I feel pretty good about Cuthbert, so if Moose walks, he walks. If you could sign Esky, Cain and somehow get Hos... you could fill in the gaps with Mondesi, Cuthbert, maybe Starling or one of the other young OFs. You could still field a competitive team.

Plus waiting to sign any of those guys means you're working under a new TV contract (for part of the deal, at least).

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11972788)

I'm probably in the minority but as much as I like and have appreciated Gordon's play, I think it would be foolish to give him a 5/80+ contract.

He's had significant injuries the past two seasons and at his age, future injuries are likely.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11972915)

I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling. the

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11972458)

I don't think Gallardo would qualify as a "bargain bin" acquisition. Kazmir is in pretty high demand.

I would look at a guy like Lincecum as a true bargain bin opportunity.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11972915)

I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling.

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11973166)

Would you consider signing him to play 2nd base if that was an option? Granted, I know his speed will decline, but even with that, would he still be a viable average to above average 2B with the glove and not have to cover much range, compared to SS?

Plus, they can always have him bat at the 8-9 hole anyways.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11973184)

No, not really. His value is so tied up in abilities that don't age well, I don't think even moving him to 2B would work unless he becomes a much better hitter all of a sudden.

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 11973210)

That's reasonable, and I can agree with that. I just wasn't sure if it would be a cheaper option to go that route instead of finding an Omar Infante (overpaying a 2B with horrific production).

That being said, does KC even have a 2B of the future in the minors somewhere, or someone that can translate well into that position offensively and defensively?

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11972458)

I don't think Gallardo would qualify as a "bargain bin" acquisition. Kazmir is in pretty high demand.



I would look at a guy like Lincecum as a true bargain bin opportunity.

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 11972847)

Under a new TV deal, maybe?

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11972915)

I have no interest in re-signing Escobar, and I doubt the team does, either, unless Mondesi collapses. Extending a speed and defense SS into his 30s seems like a bad prop, especially when you have a cheap internal replacement whose floor is the current guy's ceiling.

As such, I'd swap Moustakas and Escobar in your consideration. I also need to see Cain maintain the XBH power this season before I'm comfortable extending him (because his O is eventually going to have to carry him if you extend beyond current years of control).




I'll give you the "significant injury" in 2015, but his wrist injury in 2014 can't be classified as such, IMO.

If you play a full season through an injury, it's not "significant."

Regardless, your point still has merits. From a financial/long-term perspective, Alex Gordon at $15 million/year for 5 years makes sense. At 90? Not so much.