Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17362016)

The thing about that game is that lamar literally outplayed stafford through the air , and stafford has a strong arm, and ontop of top lamar is more mobile then pat, so it makes it more difficult to defend him.

Originally Posted by Woogieman (Post 17362017)

But the thing is that Lamar is in the elite/HOF category. Two MVPs earns that classification whether people here want to admit it or not. To say that he's not in that category because he hasn't yet won a SB is circular reasoning given that what we're trying to prove is what level of QB you need to win a SB in the first place.

I personally think he has BECOME elite...it seems experience and the continuity of the Harbaugh regime has helped him riase to a level beyond first MVP year(s). I see a calmer QB that is more accurate than in the past and one who is making much better reads and thinking "run" as last resort, but can still kill you when they call his number. If anyone is slow on Jackson's performance level, it is likely due to his non-traditional style, or a bias consistent with watching every PM game he's ever played, and seeing the Ravens a few times a year...that said, LJ REALLY needs to win this game and have a good SB to cement the "top tier" claim!

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17362016)

The thing about that game is that lamar literally outplayed stafford through the air , and stafford has a strong arm, and ontop of top lamar is more mobile then pat, so it makes it more difficult to defend him.

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter (Post 17362016)

The thing about that game is that lamar literally outplayed stafford through the air , and stafford has a strong arm, and ontop of top lamar is more mobile then pat, so it makes it more difficult to defend him.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17362031)

That’s a take.

I disagree with it. Jackson threw a pick and wasn’t as consistent or accurate.

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17362008)

I wanted to go back and address this comment. The NFL may say your franchise history only goes back to when the team arrived in Baltimore, but the reality is different. The Ravens are the former Cleveland Browns. They arrived in Baltimore as a fully formed franchise and hit the ground running. That is vastly different from putting together an expansion team from scratch, so let's stop pretending the Ravens franchise records only begin with the arrival in Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 17362029)

Josh Allen is a better QB than Lamar....PERIOD

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17362038)

I dunno. I'm kinda the other way now

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17361687)

You continue to make my point for me. It took Kelce nearly the entire season, one could argue the entire regular season, to get back to normal. Setting aside the fact that Kelce still out gained Andrews and Likely combined, my point remains that even that great chemistry takes time to rekindle when not on the field together. See Kelce game 1 (for him) and the aforementioned 4 for 26. You could even argue, although I won't here, that Jackson has been flirting with another (Likely) for over two months now. Mahomes went 1 game without Kelce, so there was no connection lost.

Look man, Mark Andrews is a great player. I'm sure next year, he will be back to being a beast. Two TE sets in 2024 are gonna be a thing for you guys. But he's not gonna do shit this weekend. Which is fine, Likely is a good player. We will definitely have to account for him. But the threat of Andrews is not going to have anywhere near the effect you think it will. And, if only for this weekend, Shannahan, Campbell and especially Harbaugh would throw their guys off a bridge for Kelce (assuming you could transmute chemistry and playbook knowledge). I can't take anyone seriously who would say otherwise.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17362038)

I dunno. I'm kinda the other way now

Originally Posted by OneWinningDrive (Post 17362046)

If you still don't believe in Lamar as a passer or his ability to come back when the team is trailing, watch the end of the Rams game. The whole drive, but especially the touchdown pass and two-point conversion, are as good as it gets from a pure situational passing perspective.