Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15566882)

The blueprint to beat the Chiefs is have backups playing almost every OL position with some playing spots they’ve not played as a pro. Make sure the DL KC is facing has 4 monsters that can quickly beat the backup OL. Have an assistant coach get a DUI and almost kill a couple kids leading up to the game. Make sure that even when KC is running at a 6 ypc clip, Andy decides to throw over and over. Make sure Mahomes has been dealing with turf toe so bad that it needs surgery soon as the game is over. Make sure KC’s receivers drop lots of passes that are hitting them in the hands and facemask. Make sure the refs allow the opposing team to mug and interfere with our players while calling every ticky tack penalty on the Chiefs defense. Make sure Andy and Spags don’t make any halftime adjustments. That’s the only blueprint. It was the perfect storm for TB. Add in that Bucs never had to travel for the game and KC flew in the day before the game, and that it was on the Bucs home field, with a storyline the league loves (Brady, first HFA SB), and the game wasn’t winnable. It’s not some magic scheme to shut us down, it was lots of luck and on an even playing field, KC wins that game.

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 15567211)

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One of the interesting things in here is where Matt Derrick lays out that a UDFA that reaches RFA and gets a tender is only a 1st or 2cd round tender that can be applied but the team will only receive a pick that is one round lesser than that. So if we put a 2cd round tender on Ward we would only get a 3rd round pick.

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15566882)

The blueprint to beat the Chiefs is have backups playing almost every OL position with some playing spots they’ve not played as a pro. Make sure the DL KC is facing has 4 monsters that can quickly beat the backup OL. Have an assistant coach get a DUI and almost kill a couple kids leading up to the game. Make sure that even when KC is running at a 6 ypc clip, Andy decides to throw over and over. Make sure Mahomes has been dealing with turf toe so bad that it needs surgery soon as the game is over. Make sure KC’s receivers drop lots of passes that are hitting them in the hands and facemask. Make sure the refs allow the opposing team to mug and interfere with our players while calling every ticky tack penalty on the Chiefs defense. Make sure Andy and Spags don’t make any halftime adjustments. That’s the only blueprint. It was the perfect storm for TB. Add in that Bucs never had to travel for the game and KC flew in the day before the game, and that it was on the Bucs home field, with a storyline the league loves (Brady, first HFA SB), and the game wasn’t winnable. It’s not some magic scheme to shut us down, it was lots of luck and on an even playing field, KC wins that game.

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 15566882)

The blueprint to beat the Chiefs is have backups playing almost every OL position with some playing spots they’ve not played as a pro. Make sure the DL KC is facing has 4 monsters that can quickly beat the backup OL. Have an assistant coach get a DUI and almost kill a couple kids leading up to the game. Make sure that even when KC is running at a 6 ypc clip, Andy decides to throw over and over. Make sure Mahomes has been dealing with turf toe so bad that it needs surgery soon as the game is over. Make sure KC’s receivers drop lots of passes that are hitting them in the hands and facemask. Make sure the refs allow the opposing team to mug and interfere with our players while calling every ticky tack penalty on the Chiefs defense. Make sure Andy and Spags don’t make any halftime adjustments. That’s the only blueprint. It was the perfect storm for TB. Add in that Bucs never had to travel for the game and KC flew in the day before the game, and that it was on the Bucs home field, with a storyline the league loves (Brady, first HFA SB), and the game wasn’t winnable. It’s not some magic scheme to shut us down, it was lots of luck and on an even playing field, KC wins that game.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 15567275)

I live in the Tampa area, and I’m getting sick to death of the preening that they “figured out” the Chiefs. They exploited our temporary weakness, and props to their DL for taking advantage of an OL that was at its weakest point of the entire season. That’s what good teams do. They earned the Lombardi.

But I have to watch the local news every night where they act like they’re gonna win 5 Super Bowls in a row, that they have the unconquerable formula, that they’re a damn dynasty in the making, rather than a team that seized the moment. And while I get the high, I’m also getting ****ing perturbed by this. I hope to holy **** we get things squared away and come back with a vengeance.

Originally Posted by Cosmos (Post 15567322)

What we also saw was Andy, and possibly Patrick to some extent, forcing an offensive game plan that wasn’t working.

Wonder what would have happened if Andy didn’t force the passing game.

If Andy’s head wasn’t all in the game, where was Bienemy?

Early 3rd it was clear...to me at least.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15567236)

That's not how the upgraded tender rule works. He needs to be more clear than that.

Directly from the NFL:



The Chiefs do not have a player slotted to be tendered that fit the criteria to knock any other player lower than the tender they place on him.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 15567263)

That's all true.

It's also true that every game we've lost in the last two years (and struggled in last year's SB) were games in which the opposition was able to harass Mahomes with 4 rushers.

It's also true that often we were missing Fisher, or Watkins, or both; and it's further true that we will continue to be missing Fisher and most likely Watkins.

So you're not wrong, but there are some issues to address.

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 15566466)

See your second post. I'm not bitter about anything man. I just think it's silly for people to pencil Fisher in as a starter or a player that comes back for similar reasons I don't think Osemele will. These guys suffered serious injuries that take a long time to come back from.

I've been one of the top advocates for Eric Fisher on this board throughout his career. I think he's one of the best LTs in the game and highly underrated. That said, I'm not pinning hope to a 30-year-old LT coming back as the same player after an Achilles tear. Like I've said if he does you're paying him a hefty contract extension. If he doesn't come back or you're unwilling to pay that extension, you better be prepared to get a LT and that means moving up in the draft to get one (more than likely).

I'm more than open to other players/positions in the draft. I'm not going to be blind to the fact that Fisher tore his Achilles tendon. There is as much a chance it dooms his career as there is he comes back to form. And there's a higher chance it's somewhere in between, a year from now.

Additionally, adding more weapons doesn't fix the issues in the Super Bowl. Healthy offensive lineman do. Maybe all our hopes and prayers are answered. One fact remains though, and that fact is the number of free agents on the docket in 2022 on the OL. Some resources have to go there this year, one way or another.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15567523)

That's just the thing.

We KNOW Osemele blew out not one but both knees. We know he was on injured reserve the entire year and was unable to play.

Other than an otherwise undisclosed Achilles injury and the fact Fisher didn't play in the Super Bowl, we know nothing at all. We don't know if he's had surgery, we don't even know if he needs surgery, we don't know if he'll be back, we don't if he'll even ever walk again. They've told us absolutely nothing.

Some people have chosen that silence to mean that it's the end of Eric Fisher. I tend to think the opposite - it's status quo until they tell us otherwise. If Fisher's future with the team were under consideration at all, I think they'd say something.

The silence more than likely mean they're working out a long-term deal, in which case the discussion for a first round OT is pretty much over.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15567531)

Last time the team was this quiet it was Eric Berry.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 15567535)

They were quiet about Mitchell Schwartz all season and that seems to be turning out in the positive.

But of course, you do have a point. The Berry situation was inexcusable.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 15567537)

Back surgery for a OT in his 30s is not a positive.