That seems like a losing argument unless Lamar wins Super Bowls, right?

- Some teams need a Mahomes to prop up their otherwise okay team.
- Some teams (like the Ravens?) don't need elite QBs because they have a historically great team
- Oh, and Lamar is also in the category of elite, just like Mahomes

I mean, his most impressive playoff win is either the Texans last week or the Titans a few years ago... why are we saying OUR bar is Lamar winning the Super Bowl?

He hasn't even won anything with THIS "historically great team" yet, much less raised the bar of his previous teams well beyond what they would accomplish without him.

I get you guys love the regular season... more so than any fanbase who's stopped by, but HoF careers aren't built on the potential that homer fans see in their quartback, it's built on results.

A regular season game at home vs an okay/not great Rams team is your best example? LMAO

Speaking of that game… your thoughts on the Rams shredding that supposedly great Ravens defense?

He doesn't even have a 500 playoff record...

Baker Mayfield has more playoff wins as a starting QB than Lamar.

That is a pathetically damning indictment of Lamar’s playoff failures.

He’s either Russell Westbrook or he’s going to be Steph Curry.

He might be a guy who puts up stats and highlights in the regular season with a style of play that doesn’t translate to postseason success.

Or

He’s the exception and proves that you can win with his unique style of play. We probably forget the negative opinion of high volume 3-point shooting prior to the Warriors. “Live by the 3, die by the 3.”

Doesn't seem like Chiefs fans respect the Ravens very much, but maybe the Ravens winning this weekend will change that.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's the case, I think Chiefs fans appreciate the physical defenses the Ravens always seem to have, the tough running game that reminds us of the fun Schottenheimer era. I think the "us against the world mentality" stems from the constant stream of gross stupidity from the media and other fanbases that simply refuse to acknowledge the amazing run this franchise is on. SB LIV...it was all about the 49ers defense and how lucky the soft Chiefs were that Garopolo overthrew a "wide open" WR. Then they shat upon PM ("Brady destroyed Mahomes")and the team in SB LV without really acknowledging that three OLs (both Pro Bowl) tackles were missing as well as other circumstances (Britt Reid) certainly didn't work in their favor. Same last year with the Eagles historic D and pass rush, which was out-performed by the Chiefs D when it counted. This year, all you have to look at is the talking heads on ESPN and NFL networks, all crushed that the superior Allen was screwed out of his deserved spotlight by a lousy kicker. I don't expect adoration or bootlicking, just high football IQ if you are going to get paid to be on TV. As far as the fans go, they clearly hate PM mostly due to his success, and that's no shock. An adult will root against a player or team, but should be able to admire their success, much like you may have hated the dynasties of the 70s as a kid (Steelers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Raiders) but admitted they were great and look back upon those names with an odd fondness now.

He's certainly gotten better but he hasn't done much against elite defenses.

Steelers had Lamar in hell, Lamar struggled at home against the Browns and I would say the Titans frustrated the hell out of Lamar too.

Lamar did well in SF bc their overrated QB gave the ball away over and over again in their own territory making it impossible for their defense.

The Chiefs are gonna make it really hard on Lamar. He's gonna have to work for it

Lamar "I don't like playing Patrick Mahomes" Jackson

That quote may end up haunting him.

YOU'RE PROUD THAT LAMAR JACKSON IS A RACIST????!!!!!!!!!

And the funniest part is there have been about ten thousand mentions of this 2nd regular season MVP award while also mentioning "historically great team" and DVOA many times... the latter clearly undermines the award.

They don't NEED a franchise QB (their point, not mine), the historically great team would be fine.... yet, Lamar is the most valuable player in the entire league, because without him the Ravens may have uh, only won 11 games this year? :shrug:

If Baltimore can’t take advantage of their opportunity this year then it will never happen for them with Lamar.

Consider…

They were gifted with Burrow being injured and taking away their primary challenger in the AFC North.

Pittsburgh and Cleveland also dealt with QB injuries in their division as well.

They finally got a full season of Lamar healthy.

All of these sequence of occurrences aren’t likely to happen again.

The pressure on Lamar and the Ravens to not choke this opportunity away is massive on Sunday.

I have this as about the 4th or 5th most difficult opponent we've played under Mahomes in the playoffs, so....

I was just trying to use Duncan's framework for elite/HOF QB --> increased odds of winning a SB. A 2x MVP certainly qualifies as an elite/HOF QB, so that should mean the Ravens have an increased chance of winning a SB.

Separately, you've got the wrong franchise if you're going to act like all Ravens fans know is regular season succes. The Ravens have the second most road playoff wins of all time behind only the Cowboys and Packers who are tied with one more win. That in less than 30 years of existing. This franchise knows postseason success.

And besides, the regular season matters in the NFL. That's what makes it so great. It's not like the MLB or NBA where it hardly makes any difference having an extra home game in a seven-game series. Teams try very hard in the regular season in the NFL. There's no load management. Getting a bye matters. And the Ravens have done that twice in the past five years. That automatically advances them a round.

The relentless narrative here is about the Lamar Jackson era playoff record (all the while ignoring the Ravens playoff record before that, which matters if you're going to talk about "us guys" as a franchise/fanbase). But the fact is that in the three years other than his 21-year-old rookie year when he took over halfway through the season and led the team to the playoffs, Lamar has been in the divisional round each time. This year in the AFC championship game. The regular season success has meant he hasn't needed to play gimme first-round games a couple of times, which you're dinging him for.

Lamar has about a 2 to 3 year window. This is it for them. That style of play doesn't last in this league....plus he's soft.

Hell, the Jimmy Grapes Niners were more intimidating ROFL ROFL ROFL