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WilliamTheIrish 12-27-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11979601)
Dave Henderson also finished his career in Kansas City. He was a backup OF on the 1994 team that was making a run for the playoffs when the strike happened.

Yes he did. He played on those great A's teams of the 90's also.

ROYC75 12-27-2015 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11976413)
Welp...it's official. The Twins are now tied atop the standing with the Royals.

http://www.si.com/mlb/standings

I had a hunch them suckers would catch us.

Lex Luthor 12-27-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 11979552)
Former Red Sox hero Dave Henderson died today. He hit one of the biggest playoff home runs in my lifetime, off the Angels Donnie Moore (who never recovered from that and ended up committing suicide later).

He also would have been the hero the Red Sox were waiting for in 1986 as he hit the 2 run HR in game 6 of the 1986 WS to put the Red Sox ahead and needing 3 puts to close. (But Buckner happened-and a few singles prior)

Of a heart attack. Damn. I'll never forget that game. Never.

I will never forget that game either. I didn't have a rooting interest in either team, but when that game was over I decided I had just watched the greatest game of all time, because of all of the excitement and the drama. If I recall correctly, Dave Henderson made a game saving catch in left field before he hit the game winning home run. I'm sorry to hear he passed away today, just as I was sorry to hear Donnie Moore committed suicide a couple of years later.

Lex Luthor 12-27-2015 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 11978644)
^^^Gordon is 32, not 35.

Zobrist was the 35 year old.

Oops, you are correct. But the point still applies.

Tmw4h5 can bluster all he wants about big market advantages over small market teams being "bullshit", but when one team gets $250 million per year from their local TV contract and another team gets $20 million, it's not bullshit. It's reality.

That being said, it's also not an excuse for failure. Big market teams have shown a propensity for recklessly spending money and seriously underperforming their payrolls. I'd much rather have a small market team with a smart GM like Dayton Moore than a big market team with a lunkhead for a GM. The Yankees, Dodgers and Angels haven't accomplished anything with their massive payrolls. That's because they are the teams who sign the aging superstars to hundred million dollar contracts. If Alex Gordon winds up going that route, I say more power to him, and kudos to the Royals for making a smart business decision to let him go.

mr. tegu 12-27-2015 07:02 PM

Set your DVRs. Fox Sports 1 has the top 100 plays of the MLB season from 7-8 pm tonight and some 2015 World Series special from 8-10 pm.

tmw4h5 12-27-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11980065)
Oops, you are correct. But the point still applies.

Tmw4h5 can bluster all he wants about big market advantages over small market teams being "bullshit", but when one team gets $250 million per year from their local TV contract and another team gets $20 million, it's not bullshit. It's reality.

That being said, it's also not an excuse for failure. Big market teams have shown a propensity for recklessly spending money and seriously underperforming their payrolls. I'd much rather have a small market team with a smart GM like Dayton Moore than a big market team with a lunkhead for a GM. The Yankees, Dodgers and Angels haven't accomplished anything with their massive payrolls. That's because they are the teams who sign the aging superstars to hundred million dollar contracts. If Alex Gordon winds up going that route, I say more power to him, and kudos to the Royals for making a smart business decision to let him go.


Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis?

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract.

The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money.

tk13 12-27-2015 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11980087)
Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis?

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract.

The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money.

I don't get why people immediately give up on signing Hos. You can't make the argument that we're making more money then say we can't have a chance to re-sign Hosmer. Which is it? I agree it may not happen... but why couldn't it. You want to give Gordon $20 million a year, but you don't want to give Hosmer $20-25?

ChiTown 12-27-2015 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 11979552)
Former Red Sox hero Dave Henderson died today. He hit one of the biggest playoff home runs in my lifetime, off the Angels Donnie Moore (who never recovered from that and ended up committing suicide later).

He also would have been the hero the Red Sox were waiting for in 1986 as he hit the 2 run HR in game 6 of the 1986 WS to put the Red Sox ahead and needing 3 puts to close. (But Buckner happened-and a few singles prior)

Of a heart attack. Damn. I'll never forget that game. Never.

Donnie Moore, coincidentally, signed a minor league contract with the Royals in 1989. They released him in June and a month later, he shot his wife ( who survived 3 bullets) and then turned the gun on himself. Sad story.

lewdog 12-27-2015 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11980103)
I don't get why people immediately give up on signing Hos. You can't make the argument that we're making more money then say we can't have a chance to re-sign Hosmer. Which is it? I agree it may not happen... but why couldn't it. You want to give Gordon $20 million a year, but you don't want to give Hosmer $20-25?

We don't know what the Royals plan to do with re-signing these young guys. Which is why you can't pay an aging left fielder for 5/6 years at Gordon's asking price or you just end up answering that question before it even happens.

SAUTO 12-27-2015 07:52 PM

I think hos and moose stay together.

tk13 12-27-2015 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 11980084)
Set your DVRs. Fox Sports 1 has the top 100 plays of the MLB season from 7-8 pm tonight and some 2015 World Series special from 8-10 pm.

On FS1 now. This is the World Series DVD, in case you were interested.

Lex Luthor 12-27-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 11980087)
Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance.
This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra.
We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis?

This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract.

The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money.

Again, the Dodgers will get $230,000,000 MORE in local TV revenue than the Royals will next year. Do you know how much money $230,000,000 is? How can you not understand that this gives the Dodgers and other big market teams an advantage over small market teams? How can you just deny that small market teams can't spend money like drunken sailors?

I'm not arguing that the Royals should keep their payroll at any set amount. I'm pointing out that the Royals have to spend their money judiciously.

If you give $100,000,000 to an aging Alex Gordon, you GUARANTEE that Hosmer will leave because (1) you won't have the money to give him, and (2) why the **** would Hosmer consider anything less than full market value if an aging Alex Gordon got full market value?

Lex Luthor 12-27-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11980103)
I don't get why people immediately give up on signing Hos. You can't make the argument that we're making more money then say we can't have a chance to re-sign Hosmer. Which is it? I agree it may not happen... but why couldn't it. You want to give Gordon $20 million a year, but you don't want to give Hosmer $20-25?

EXACTLY.

Small market teams shouldn't spend their money on aging superstars who get overpaid by big market teams. The Cardinals faced a similar decision a few years ago with Albert Pujols. Pujols wound up signing a contract with the Angels for $240 million for 10 years at age of 32. That was a ****ing ridiculous contract, since Pujols was at the age when nearly every player starts to decline. He was 32. (How old is Alex Gordon again?)

Letting Pujols walk seems to have worked out pretty well for the Cardinals, considering that they have made the playoffs each of the 4 years since Pujols left, including the World Series in 2013. And what have the Angels done since they gave Pujols his $240 million contract? Well, they did make the playoffs ONCE in 4 years (got swept by the small market team). If tmw4h5 had been a Cardinals fan back then, he would have probably wanted to lynch the Cardinals GM.

The Royals need to follow the model of the Cardinals, not the Angels.

ChiefsCountry 12-27-2015 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11980295)
EXACTLY.

Small market teams shouldn't spend their money on aging superstars who get overpaid by big market teams. The Cardinals faced a similar decision a few years ago with Albert Pujols. Pujols wound up signing a contract with the Angels for $240 million for 10 years at age of 32. That was a ****ing ridiculous contract, since Pujols was at the age when nearly every player starts to decline. He was 32. (How old is Alex Gordon again?)

Letting Pujols walk seems to have worked out pretty well for the Cardinals, considering that they have made the playoffs each of the 4 years since Pujols left, including the World Series in 2013. And what have the Angels done since they gave Pujols his $240 million contract? Well, they did make the playoffs ONCE in 4 years (got swept by the small market team).

The Royals need to follow the model of the Cardinals, not the Angels.

You mean the Cardinals with big contracts with Holliday, Wainwright, and Molina?

Lex Luthor 12-27-2015 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 11980304)
You mean the Cardinals with big contracts with Holliday, Wainwright, and Molina?

Thanks for making my point for me. If the Cardinals had thrown $240 million at Albert Pujols, they wouldn't have Holliday, Wainwright and Molina on their team.

Pujols = Gordon

Holliday, Wainwright, Molina = Hosmer, Moustakas, Davis

That's how you sustain a winning organization. You don't put all of your eggs in the aging superstar's basket.


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