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Originally Posted by Jenson71

Really? I did a google search on "Pope supports child molesters", and this is what I found:

http://www.the-tidings.com/2002/0503/trip.htm

Maybe you could give me some info on how he backs up a bunch of child-fuggers.

ah,,here they come a running ROFL

Well, this is a thread about the Pope, and so maybe we should have some information on him. I doubt he supports those type of people, but if Clint is sure....

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Originally Posted by Oxford

C-Mac,
I will take you at your word that you are not, HOWEVER your statement dovetails very nicely with those that call Catholicism a cult. As a practicing catholic I take offense when someone calls the church corrupt because I see that as an attack on GOD's church.

If someone wants to attack someone within the church on the basis of that persons actions then that is right and proper. And if the allegations are proved to be true, then they should be punished. It is apparent throughout recorded history that corrupt people have used the church as an excuse for their actions, and there have been corrupt people leading the church, yet through all that she still stands.

It is encumbent on us, the laity, to demand accountability and not to abandon the church when ugly and despicable things come to light. I see that as my responsibility to those generations yet to come, .. if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

I have been on both sides of the fence. I was raised Catholic went to Catholic school, but once I actually read the Bible and did some historical research, I found stark contrasts to the churches teachings and actions. Yes thru out the years the Church has had much corruption and abuses of human rights. Sadly it still goes on down to today, and her attendance and unwaivering faithful is declining. I personally felt enough was enough and chose to follow the Bible teachings not the Church teachings, because I couldnt do both.

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

EDIT - okay, I assume you do. Nevermind.

Hey Jenson, you being a huge Godfather fan.
After seeing The Godfather part 3. Should see the church is crooked.

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Originally Posted by Fairplay

Hey Jenson, you being a huge Godfather fan.
After seeing The Godfather part 3. Should see the church is crooked.

Sure, I've never doubted that the church has had rough times. I understand that. And, this isn't a thread praising the church. This is a thread praising John Paul II as a man. The rest of you are arguing about the church.

How factual is The Godfather Part III anyway?

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

How factual is The Godfather Part III anyway?

Let me ask you this, if it were fact and continues today, would it truthfully matter to you?

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Let me ask you this, if it were fact and continues today, would it truthfully matter to you?

I dunno. Forget I asked.

Yes it would matter.

Anyway, I re-read Roger Ebert's review for a little information

"The plot of the movie, concocted by Coppola and Mario Puzo in a screenplay inspired by headlines, brings the Corleone family into the inner circles of corruption in the Vatican. Actual events - the untimely suddenness of John Paul I's death, the scandals at the Vatican Bank, the body of a Vatican banker found hanging from a London bridge - are cheerfully intertwined with the Corleone's fictional story, and it is suggested that the Vatican lost hundreds of millions in a fraud."

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

I dunno. Forget I asked.

You think it was easy for me to make the decision I made? But at some point and time I had to come to grips with realities that I would rather not know about. The pope is the leader of this church that is full of corruption, that is why these things are being mentioned among his thread. Usually you hear of past popes and their corruptions. Its just to big of a problem to keep under the rug.

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

I haven't changed my mind on anything. You haven't given me anything. You've just said "it's corrupt. Uh....see?" See what?

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

I haven't changed my mind on anything. You haven't given me anything. You've just said "it's corrupt. Uh....see?" See what?

I fear you might have opened the flood gates with that one, but anyway I must leave for a time but will check back in when I return.

WTF does the Pope do that is so great anyway? I thought he was more or less a vegetable at this point...a freakish sideshow to be paraded around for CNN and other news organizations.

The Pope inspires people like me to become full members in the Catholic Church. I'll be spending this evening at a Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults meeting and the weekend at a R.C.I.A. retreat.

God bless the Pope!