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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 5514207)
This take assumes a little that we address a couple players in FA on DEF: DL and LB specifically

:Poke: I'm assuming from statements much like this one, which I agree with, that you've settled on Albert as your LT for the long haul? Because, for the sake of debate, I can't say I'd have a problem with them taking Monroe with the #3 (play him @ LT), and moving Brandon across the pile to RT...unless that's not something he can do of course...

I realize and sympathize with the need for the QB, and to be honest, if either of these kids have "it" - take them...but presuming they don't, for the sake of debate...I have ZERO problem with a dominant LT.

Jesus ****. Why would you spend the #15 pick on a guy to play RT when he's already proven he can play LT and you can get RTs in the 3rd and 4th rounds? Moreover, why blow a #3 pick on an LT when you already have one and you need a quarterback and there are two elite prospects?

soundmind 02-21-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5514275)
How many right tackles and coverage linebackers who dont rush the passer were taken #3 overall?

I'm certainly not equating the guy to DT or LT, but what is all the negative buzz on Curry's pass rush abilities? That may not have been his highlight reel, but he makes a lot of plays behind the line...the guy is quick.

Clint Sintim seems to me to be the guy if you want a rushing OLB in this one, and he's certainly not that early pick...but I'm just saying, Curry looks solid.

soundmind 02-21-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514314)
Jesus ****. Why would you spend the #15 pick on a guy to play RT when he's already proven he can play LT and you can get RTs in the 3rd and 4th rounds? Moreover, why blow a #3 pick on an LT when you already have one and you need a quarterback and there are two elite prospects?

"for the sake of debate" - do these words mean something other than what I thought? Are you guys all fired up on whiskey and just angry about something?

Deberg_1990 02-21-2009 09:30 PM

Its clear alot of people dont understand draft value and core postions.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 09:30 PM

Resign Tony Richardson?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

soundmind 02-21-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514314)
Jesus ****. Why would you spend the #15 pick on a guy to play RT when he's already proven he can play LT and you can get RTs in the 3rd and 4th rounds? Moreover, why blow a #3 pick on an LT when you already have one and you need a quarterback and there are two elite prospects?

And I was genuinely just throwing it out for debate, we should, and will draft one of these 2 guys.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 5514317)
I'm certainly not equating the guy to DT or LT, but what is all the negative buzz on Curry's pass rush abilities? That may not have been his highlight reel, but he makes a lot of plays behind the line...the guy is quick.

Clint Sintim seems to me to be the guy if you want a rushing OLB in this one, but I'm just sayin...

Aaron Curry isn't Lawrence Taylor. It's not what he does. He's Derrick Brooks if he absolutely becomes everything he could ever hope to be.

Rush backers change games. Cover backers make it more difficult to pass to the tight end and run to the outside.

The mere fact that a guy is a LB doesn't mean he's the same as every other backer.

A 4-3 DE is far different than a 3-4 DE, and a 3-4 DT is far different from a 4-3 DT.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5514275)
How many right tackles and coverage linebackers who dont rush the passer were taken #3 overall?

Why are you asking? What does this have to do with anything I've said in this thread. Right tackle? I don't know wtf you are talking about. My position is this. If Pioli determines the qbs in question are good enough to warrant taking them at #3 he will and should do it. If he doesn't then he won't and shouldn't and in the long history of the nfl non quarterbacks have been taken with the #3 and making such a selection was not an act of a reerun.

That is a reasonable position taken by most fans. But the it must be qb no matter what crowd here has bonded together like a gay dance troupe. Enjoy your circle jerk. Please remember to use condoms when inserting your dicks in each others mouths

I'm still waiting to hear more about your leaders position that sanchez should be picked because his brother went to Yale.

Asswipes.
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soundmind 02-21-2009 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514321)
Resign Tony Richardson?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Oh c'mon....how can you not love TRICH!?! :D

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 5514322)
And I was genuinely just throwing it out for debate, we should, and will draft one of these 2 guys.

Ok.

Here's why you can't.

You've already given Branden Albert 10-15 million in guarantees and close to 30 overall.

If you moved him to RT that makes him one of the highest paid RTs in the league, which is a far less important position than LT, a position at which he has shown pro bowl potential, and at which he isn't even paid that much.

Plus, most RTs in this league are mid rounders.

So if you move Albert to RT you do several things--

You significantly decrease his draft value
You significantly hamper your cap because you are far above the average pay scale for the position at which he'll play
You move him to a less important position on the OL which he is not as well suited to play.

Moreover, you've created a hole at the most important position on the offensive line.

So, would you rather pay Branden Albert 30 mil to protect your blindside, and someone like Feneki Tupou 3 million, and draft a guy like Sanchez or Stafford to be your franchise QB...

or,

Would you rather pay Eugene Monroe 55 million, Albert 30, and have Tyler Thigpen as your franchise QB, while paying Nate Davis or Rhett Bomar 3-5 million?

It doesn't make any sense.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5514327)
Why are you asking? What does this have to do with anything I've said in this thread. Right tackle? I don't know wtf you are talking about. My position is this. If Pioli determines the qbs in question are good enough to warrant taking them at #3 he will and should do it. If he doesn't then he won't and shouldn't and in the long history of the nfl non quarterbacks have been taken with the #3 and making such a selection was not an act of a reerun.

That is a reasonable position taken by most fans. But the it must be qb no matter what crowd here has bonded together like a gay dance troupe. Enjoy your circle jerk. Please remember to condoms when inserting your dicks in each others mouths

I'm still waiting to hear more about your leaders position that sanchez should be picked because his brother went to Yale.

Asswipes.
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You are a complete ****ing cum rag.

soundmind 02-21-2009 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514323)
Aaron Curry isn't Lawrence Taylor. It's not what he does. He's Derrick Brooks if he absolutely becomes everything he could ever hope to be.

Rush backers change games. Cover backers make it more difficult to pass to the tight end and run to the outside.

The mere fact that a guy is a LB doesn't mean he's the same as every other backer.

A 4-3 DE is far different than a 3-4 DE, and a 3-4 DT is far different from a 4-3 DT.

Definitely, there's no denying any of that, but hell, Brooks changed a lot of games too. No doubt there's a lot to be said for schemes and specific talents of individuals...

unothadeal 02-21-2009 09:42 PM

We need to get Michael Johnson with our 1st because he might not make it to when we draft in the 2nd.

DeezNutz 02-21-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5514336)
Would you rather pay Eugene Monroe 55 million, Albert 30, and have Tyler Thigpen as your franchise QB, while paying Nate Davis or Rhett Bomar 3-5 million?

Of course! Because it's safer!

The only position that has ever busted--there's that mother****ing word, again-- in round 1 in the history of the NFL draft is QB.

ChiefsCountry 02-21-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5514327)
Why are you asking? What does this have to do with anything I've said in this thread. Right tackle? I don't know wtf you are talking about. My position is this. If Pioli determines the qbs in question are good enough to warrant taking them at #3 he will and should do it. If he doesn't then he won't and shouldn't and in the long history of the nfl non quarterbacks have been taken with the #3 and making such a selection was not an act of a reerun.
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Because this explains why QB should be our pick.


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