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OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5648791)
It's the same thing with people around here saying that the Chiefs would be stupid to draft Brian Orakpo because he's from Texas.
What about the people that could care less where he played, and think he's not worth the pick because he disappeared in big games?

Mecca 04-07-2009 02:49 PM
The history of Texas players is ****ing awful, unless the guy is an absolutely special player it should be of concern.

philfree 04-07-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5648715)
And that has WHAT to do with refuting these arguments, as you claimed you've already done?

Let's go through one by one:


There has been ONE MLB/ILB taken in the Top 3 in the past TWENTY years, and he was a monumental bust?

So, NFL decision makers think so highly of taking a MLB in the Top 3, that it's happened ONCE in the past twenty years? The best MLB of that timeframe was taken TWENTY SIXTH. Others of comparable talent went no higher than NINTH.

Please, explain.


There is no value at the #3 slot for a LB that would have to learn how to rush the passer?

See above. Also, there are quite a few LB's that WERE taken Top 3, primarily because they COULD rush the passer, and EXCELLED at it in college.

MLB is one of the least important positions on the front 7?

Please, refute this. I'd like to know why you consider the MLB position so valuable, more valuable than DE, pass rushing OLB or DT.

I'll wait. Shouldn't take long, as you claim you have already refuted these points. Please forgive me for missing said post.
You really don't get reality do you? The players in this draft and how the teams view them is all that matters. What happened in the past or a bunch of unwritten draft rules don't mean squat. Also at some point BPA will have greater value then a player with PV. If that wasn't the case every team would pick a QB in the 1st round of the draft.

PhilFree:arrow:

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5648829)
You really don't get reality do you? The players in this draft and how the teams view them is all that matters. What happened in the past or a bunch of unwritten draft rules don't mean squat. Also at some point BPA will have greater value then a player with PV. If that wasn't the case every team would pick a QB in the 1st round of the draft.

PhilFree:arrow:
What I do get is that you keep ignoring the posts of both htismaqe and myself.

Get on with it. Refute those arguments.

Mecca 04-07-2009 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5648845)
What I do get is that you keep ignoring the posts of both htismaqe and myself.

Get on with it. Refute those arguments.
It's not going to happen...

htismaqe 04-07-2009 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5648791)
It's the same thing with people around here saying that the Chiefs would be stupid to draft Brian Orakpo because he's from Texas.
When you start to reach the 80th-percentile range, one would be wise to take a closer look.

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5648791)
A generalization that has nothing to do with the player himself.
Generalizations like this one don't generally appear out of thin air.

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5648791)
Jammer has had a pretty decent career, but Williams is now out of the league.
Jammer is one of the biggest disappointments on that team. The fans by and large are disappointed with him, and the team thinks so much of him that they've spent THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS (and one 2nd) since they drafted him.

As for the rest of your post, I don't think the Chiefs NEED to do anything. They could pick just about anybody and I can't do a damn thing about it.

htismaqe 04-07-2009 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5648829)
You really don't get reality do you? The players in this draft and how the teams view them is all that matters. What happened in the past or a bunch of unwritten draft rules don't mean squat.
You want to throw "reality" in people's faces and then you say that history has absolutely no bearing on the draft?

Seriously, man, you realize how dumb that sounds?

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5648847)
It's not going to happen...
Trust me, I know.

I'm enjoying watching him avoid them at all costs.

philfree 04-07-2009 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5648765)
What?



You do realize that many of the draftniks with Curry in their Top 5 start their analysis with "This really isn't good value for an ILB, but..."?

But? The players who have positional value aren't good enough to surpass him on their draft boards?

PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca 04-07-2009 02:57 PM
Draftniks weren't putting Curry in their top 5 till he got ridiculous hype from Mayock and the like and they basically begrudgingly go against their beliefs and put him there going "I think this is bad value but I have to put him here just cause"

Chiefnj2 04-07-2009 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5648872)
Draftniks weren't putting Curry in their top 5 till he got ridiculous hype from Mayock and the like and they basically begrudgingly go against their beliefs and put him there going "I think this is bad value but I have to put him here just cause"
You've been given links before that refute your claim.

Mecca 04-07-2009 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5648882)
You've been given links before that refute your claim.
Profootball weekly is not a "draftnik" publication or really anything like that and for the last time they are like the sporting news they suck balls.

So stop bringing it up before I personally insult you.

OnTheWarpath15 04-07-2009 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5648882)
You've been given links before that refute your claim.
I'd like to see these "links." Plural.

I'm assuming there's only two, out of what HUNDREDS of draft sites?

You can't possibly argue that Curry was universally thought of as a Top 5 pick BEFORE Mayock started pimping him. Hell, forget universally, I'll take the majority.

I'm guessing you'll find a handful, at best.

Mecca 04-07-2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5648896)
I'd like to see these "links." Plural.

I'm assuming there's only two, out of what HUNDREDS of draft sites?

You can't possibly argue that Curry was universally thought of as a Top 5 pick BEFORE Mayock started pimping him. Hell, forget universally, I'll take the majority.

I'm guessing you'll find a handful, at best.
He's got profootball weekly...who I'd laugh at as a legit draft source.

philfree 04-07-2009 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5648862)
You want to throw "reality" in people's faces and then you say that history has absolutely no bearing on the draft?

Seriously, man, you realize how dumb that sounds?
The reality of the situation heading into the 2009 draft is that the players at the positions of greater value aren't considered to be as good as a prospect who palys a position considered to be of lesser in value. What's so hard about that?
Also I don't think the GMs stack their draft boards based on how the players fell in previous drafts. And if they want to go off history then there is no way anyone takes SAnchez @ #3. History says he will bust.

PhilFree:arrow:


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