There's going to be a lot of disappointed people, then, because this Chiefs team isn't very talented right now, no matter who you put at QB. 5 wins won't be a miracle or anything, but it could still be a successful season for this team. With the Chiefs facing the schedule they have, it could be a very bad season in terms of wins and losses, even if the team is much improved.

It's not an exact barometer, obviously, but Vegas has the over/under for the Chiefs at 5.5 wins right now, and even the Lions are at 5.

That has nothing at all to do with my point. The point was that you do precisely what you are complaining the "n00bs" have been doing.

5 wins WILL be a miracle. Are you kidding me?

Shit right tackle. Old guards. Shit center. ONE WR (with the dropsies). OLD RB. NO pass rush. OLD linebackers. Suspect secondary.

NEW coaching staff. FIRST TIME head coach.

If you think that 5 wins is a given, you're smokin' too much crack.

Yeah, because I'M the n00b that's been insulting all of those people (including me and OTWP58).

Yeah, right.

Try again, n00b.

Valid arguments could, and were, made for trading for Cassel and for drafting Sanchez. Neither side of either decision knows for certain that their opinion is the correct one.

It's these kinds of comments that lead to it. Agreeing with what the team is doing - or in my case, accepting it as reality and moving on - does not make one a lemming.

I'm no n00b, but this is hysterical. I don't believe you actually believe this, but if you do I must wonder if you are reading the same board I am.

This entire offseason was spent by the majority of the posters who had been around for awhile calling everyone names for ANY draft take that didn't involve drafting a QB at #3. Most of the time, there wasn't reasonable discussion in threads, not because of the n00bs, but because every thread turned into the same "hilarious" posts about true fans, calling players/Pioli Jesus, calling everyone reeruned, telling people to die, etc. This was EVERY thread. If anything, the only n00b that has had a negative impact on the board is DCS/RoR because he does all this shit to the extreme to try to gain approval from you guys.

But to see you try to pretend to be some sort of victim is mind-boggling.

That's you're choice.

But let's not deny the fact that many people (including myself) were singled out for not "accepting it" and having a differing opinion.

Some people were more vocal about it than others and were vilafied for it.

Calling people "n00b" as an insult sets up confrontation from the very beginning. Also, my insults have generally been confined to a small group of people who've insulted me first. You just happen to be one of them because you seem to think you should be allowed to insult others without them firing back.

Agreed. But the irony is that if we assume hypothetically that Brees never got injured in San Diego and that the Chargers ended up shopping Rivers, you would NEVER hear nearly as much disappointedness from a team that landed Rivers, even though Cassel's had a full season under his belt while Rivers at that point had only 1 mediocre game under his belt. You're absolutely right on that and it's something I'll never really understand. I just hope that people are willing to at least give Cassel more than a half-season to start making judgment calls about him.

Apparently not.

Victim? I couldn't give a flying **** what you or those people or anyone else thinks of me or my opinion.

But to deny that I wasn't singled out means you are either ill-informed or you're trying to spin the truth.

How many times do I/did I have to read "Mecca/Hamas/Dane/OTWP" as a group?

I'll tell ya: Far too many times to count.

If you're insulted by the phrase "n00b", then you're in for a long, tough ride here at the 'Planet.

I don't know. I rarely see you mentioned in the same breath as any of those guys except for Hamas because you two are just adsjoles to everyone. OTWP, I would never compare you two. He knows a lot about football.

And people call me a dick.

ROFL

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

The idea that this is unique and directed only at those that question the team is, frankly, HYSTERICAL.

The "negative" crowd has been the MAJORITY here for the 8 of the last 9 years, and now that the tide is changing a bit, people want to take their ball and go home?

Seriously, that's just asinine.