No. I'm saying that it doesn't make sense to put both Mannings in the franchise section and to not have Eli with the second tier. Really, I'm trying to be polite about this, but calling Eli a franchise level player is just about as ****ing stupid as it gets.

take away the super bowls and where do his stats rank?

Dude.

He was drafted with the expectation that comes with a franchise QB.

He plays in the most demanding media market in the NFL.

When his team needed him most, he went on the best 5-6 game run of his career, carrying that team through the playoffs and into the Super Bowl.

Then he leads his team on a last-minute drive against a 16-0 team that had been destroying the opposition for 4 months to win the Lombardi Trophy.

The Giants traded multiple picks hoping expecting that Eli would be that guy, and he didn't disappoint.

Trent Dilfer says "hello".

This is the root of my issue with you on this stuff. You're completely inconsistent.

Wait..... was Dilfer a 'Franchise' level QB?

:clap:

Who gives a ****?

He has 10 years left to play.

Christ, this fanbase is ****ed. You'd rather have the 4,000 yard passer who can't win a playoff game than the guy who threw for 3,000 and has multiple rings.

I could care less what the stat line says.

Based on this argument, Trent Green was a franchise QB.

Roethlisberger and Rivers are clearly the two elite young QBs in the game.

Thats like saying Marino sucked because he didn't win a SB.

super bowls are about a TEAM, not a QB. Are you saying Marino, Tarkenton, Archie Manning, Dan Fouts, and Jim Kelly weren't "franchise QBs" because they never had enough talent around them to win a SB?


the first Steelers SB should belong to the Seahawks. That game was a travesty and, unlike most people, I won't forget that.

That's one thing that pises me off about the "SB is everything" attitude - it doesn't matter how you got it, all you have to do is be carried to one, people forget the circumstances, and you are in the Hall.

the only reason he wasn't was because of his age. are you saying that if he put up 2003-2005 numbers when he was in his mid-20s, he wouldn't be considered a future HOFer?

and what kept Trent out of the SB? the Defense.

he must have been. he was a high draft pick and won a SB. :rolleyes:

And a guy with ONE regular season win to his name is a God.

Wow, talk about disingenous.

Did Trent Dilfer play to the level expected of a franchise QB his entire career?

Or did he fall ass-backwards into the perfect spot, with the perfect team?

Had Peyton Manning played like Neil Lomax for 8 seasons, and then won a SB, we wouldn't be calling him a franchise QB either.

First of all, I entered the conversation when it came to McNabb, who has won numerous playoff games.

Secondly, I look at more than simply "rings", because as I said, rings are about a team, not a single player. I'm fairly certain that if E Manning or P Rivers went to Pittsburgh instead of Roth, they would have those rings instead

ROFL

how ironic