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Reerun_KC 10-06-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6146196)
If Herm Edwards didn't insist on the rebuild, we'd be two years behind schedule. Whether you agree or not about the talent he brought in, you can't deny that he made a very bold move to demand that he take a wrecking ball and rebuild from scratch.

Herm knew he'd end up losing a lot of games in 2008. He could've easily told Peterson to spend a bunch of money to make the team a fringe playoff contender, but he insisted that he do it the right way. Much as people hate Herm, he fell on his sword for the good of the franchise.

You think Pioli had a hard time getting rid of Herm guys. Imagine how much tougher it would have been if we had a bunch of average, cap-eating free agents on our roster right now. At least when Pioli cut Herm's young guys, they were free to cut.

Fair enough, I am all for the rebuild from scratch, but not with Herm within 1000 miles of KC...

Glad he feel on a sword, he sucked, plain and simple....

the Talking Can 10-06-2009 04:22 PM

Herm used rebuilding to buy himself another year excuse free...it blew up in his face, thankfully....


Herm only had a job because of Carl. Period. And if he wasn't under Carl's thumb and truly "bold" he would have rebuilt right away...and not stuck with Gunther.

Herm brought us Huard and Croyle and Thigpen. Whoppity ****ing doo.

fascinating to watch history being re-written in this thread....Herm the great talent evaluator! Herm the bold rebuilder! Herm the great motivator!

LMAO

:banghead:

:deevee:

TEX 10-06-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6146196)
If Herm Edwards didn't insist on the rebuild, we'd be two years behind schedule. Whether you agree or not about the talent he brought in, you can't deny that he made a very bold move to demand that he take a wrecking ball and rebuild from scratch.

Herm knew he'd end up losing a lot of games in 2008. He could've easily told Peterson to spend a bunch of money to make the team a fringe playoff contender, but he insisted that he do it the right way. Much as people hate Herm, he fell on his sword for the good of the franchise.

You think Pioli had a hard time getting rid of Herm guys. Imagine how much tougher it would have been if we had a bunch of average, cap-eating free agents on our roster right now. At least when Pioli cut Herm's young guys, they were free to cut.

IMO, Herm is a master manipulator who gained Clark's ear with the whole rebuild thing. He hoped that it would "buy" him more time - plain and simple. I don't give that clown any credit for doing anything for the "good" of the franchise. It was more about his personal gain. Problem is his plan backfired when Carl stepped down. Herm was / is more shrewd than anything else.

POND_OF_RED 10-06-2009 04:26 PM

I think one stat that increased is games against defending playoff teams. 1 last year. 3 this year. I think that evens out the numbers a little IMO.

BWillie 10-06-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 6141922)
The players are trying too hard to not make mistakes, like a driver that is too cautious causing wrecks

I don't know how a driver that is too cautious of causing wrecks would make more mistakes. LOL

I just don't understand that analogy?

DaneMcCloud 10-06-2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146280)
Herm used rebuilding to buy himself another year excuse free...it blew up in his face, thankfully....

You're wrong. Herm wanted to rebuild in 2006 and again in 2007.

Peterson said no both times.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146280)
Herm only had a job because of Carl.

This is intellectually dishonest.

Herm had taken the NY Jets to the playoffs three out of five years. If the Chiefs hadn't traded for him, it's likely that he would have gotten another job elsewhere.

Don't pretend to know more than you do.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146280)
Period. And if he wasn't under Carl's thumb and truly "bold" he would have rebuilt right away...and not stuck with Gunther.

So, when you're hired by the President of a company that you know needs to be re-organized, you just walk in the door and say "X, X and X need to happen, NOW, Mother****er"?

Given the level of intelligence you repeatedly display in this forum, I find that highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146280)
Herm brought us Huard and Croyle and Thigpen. Whoppity ****ing doo.

Again, more bullshit from the Talking Can.

Huard had been on the Chiefs roster since 2004. Croyle was a third round draft choice. Thigpen was a waiver pick up who BTW, just netted a draft pick in return. Croyle played better than the $60 million dollar man.

What a load of horseshit.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146280)
fascinating to watch history being re-written in this thread....Herm the great talent evaluator! Herm the bold rebuilder! Herm the great motivator!

Rewritten? Again, WTF are you talking about?

And I'll tell you what: I'll take the 2008 draft every day of the week over the 2009 draft.

DaneMcCloud 10-06-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED (Post 6146291)
I think one stat that increased is games against defending playoff teams. 1 last year. 3 this year. I think that evens out the numbers a little IMO.

Losses are losses.

Plain and simple.

Reerun_KC 10-06-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6146320)
Losses are losses.

Plain and simple.

And Herm racked them up at an alarming rate...


Plain and simple....

SAUTO 10-06-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6146318)
You're wrong. Herm wanted to rebuild in 2006 and again in 2007.

Peterson said no both times.



This is intellectually dishonest.

Herm had taken the NY Jets to the playoffs three out of five years. If the Chiefs hadn't traded for him, it's likely that he would have gotten another job elsewhere.

Don't pretend to know more than you do.



So, when you're hired by the President of a company that you know needs to be re-organized, you just walk in the door and say "X, X and X need to happen, NOW, Mother****er"?

Given the level of intelligence you repeatedly display in this forum, I find that highly unlikely.



Again, more bullshit from the Talking Can.

Huard had been on the Chiefs roster since 2004. Croyle was a third round draft choice. Thigpen was a waiver pick up who BTW, just netted a draft pick in return. Croyle played better than the $60 million dollar man.

What a load of horseshit.



Rewritten? Again, WTF are you talking about?

And I'll tell you what: I'll take the 2008 draft every day of the week over the 2009 draft.

dane, there are MANY posts on this site that bash herm for his talent evaluation. i'm too busy to search but i would bet you have at least a couple

DaneMcCloud 10-06-2009 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6146340)
dane, there are MANY posts on this site that bash herm for his talent evaluation. i'm too busy to search but i would bet you have at least a couple

Jason, I don't give a **** about "other people".

If you're going to bash someone, back it up.

Chiefless 10-06-2009 04:53 PM

Sometimes in order to clean up a mess you have to make an even bigger mess. I just hope Haley/Pioli know what their doing, because this team has been completely taken apart...and the putting it back together part does not seem to be going according to plan. This off-season better see the shoring up of the o-line. Because that unit is unwatchable right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6146130)
I agree TTC, some of the best posters on the board are in full meltdown mode? Just a bunch of crazy talk, They begged for change and when change happened? They paniced...

I am not sure what is happening, but something is runnng a muck through this message board..

It is scary.... Very scary....

Jesus Christ, no one is pro Herm. You aren't this ****ing stupid. No one is. Saying that Herm had the right idea on how to build a franchise does not mean that he was a good coach, or that he was the right guy to continue the rebuild.

It means what it means: building through the draft is the way to go.

Anyone who wants to extract that someone is "pro-Herm" from that is a morally bankrupt one who sucks the penis.

keg in kc 10-06-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6146355)
Jason, I don't give a **** about "other people".

If you're going to bash someone, back it up.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries.

DaneMcCloud 10-06-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6146339)
And Herm racked them up at an alarming rate...


Plain and simple....

So did Vermeil.

2001 & 2002: 14-18

2006 & 2007: 13-19

Are you bitching about a one game difference or are you bitching about Year 3, when he was finally allowed to blow shit the **** up?

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-06-2009 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6146280)
Herm used rebuilding to buy himself another year excuse free...it blew up in his face, thankfully....


Herm only had a job because of Carl. Period. And if he wasn't under Carl's thumb and truly "bold" he would have rebuilt right away...and not stuck with Gunther.

Herm brought us Huard and Croyle and Thigpen. Whoppity ****ing doo.

fascinating to watch history being re-written in this thread....Herm the great talent evaluator! Herm the bold rebuilder! Herm the great motivator!

LMAO

:banghead:

:deevee:

Nice to see that TheTalkingGoebbels still has the reading comprehension of a Fragile X child.


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