You are incorrect.

Waters was originally signed as an undrafted college free agent by the Cowboys as a tight end. After he was cut, he came to KC and played in 6 games in 2000. He moved into the starting guard position in 2001 and by 2004, was a Pro-Bowler.

None of that negates the fact that the 2001 offensive line was far superior to the 2009 version.

It was superior in hindsight. Walking into 2001 what did you have other than Shields? A LT in Tait who many thought was soft and couldn't cut it at LT. Waters was just starting out on the OL. Weigman was a castoff. Riley was thought of as a bad RT.

lol this thread coming from the same guy who also said this week the Chiefs offense would start to improve. How the **** do you have a job writting about footnall?

And not just bad luck for Brady...

Brady came in this year and struggled getting back from his injury. Hes gotten his feet under him now and they will finish better than 11-5. Because Brady is a good QB and Cassel is not. Thigpen could have won 11 games with last years Pats team. And he is in no way a great QB.

Jason, I often agree with you're take on subjects BUT

go to a colts board and say they have always had one of the best lines in the NFL.

it is an untrue statement. Their line has struggled since Glenn retired after their superbowl win.

They arent in the same zipcode of suck that ours is in, but they have been a NFL average line at best and have recently struggled with numerous injuries.

Peyton is GREAT at shuffling around in the pocket and has one of the quickest releases in NFL history.

Teams dont blitz because of that and the fact he is so smart he sees the blitz and disects the defense to find the wide open reciever....Cassel sees that blitz and stops looking downfield.

Cassel will never be a top ten QB

Hes not even a top 32 QB

you're right. I had to look it up. iirc didnt he play some center that year while transitioning?

Lots of stuff clouding my memory from that long ago.

Well, Tait did just fine. Waters was in the Pro-Bowl three years later and many thought he should have been there sooner. Weigman wasn't a "castoff" but a part time player with the Bears. Riley was not thought of as being "bad" but he was a psycho. After his contract was up, he started for New Orleans.

But regardless, it was superior, no matter how you look at it.

All I'm saying, is Cassel SHOULD NOT be judged or analyzed for his performance behind this sorrowful O-line. The comparison tp Trent is just to point that out.

The same.

the point remains that when peyton is pressured he's no where near the same Qb he gets happy feet.

You're wrong.

And furthermore, if all it took was pressure, why wouldn't opposing defensive coordinators just bring the house on each and every passing down?

Oh, that's right. Because Peyton would shred their secondary with his quick release, resulting in touchdowns.

Duh.

You are, of course, wrong.

If he was playing magnificently behind this line, would you say the same thing about him?

He locks onto receivers, won't throw downfield, won't throw into traffic and looks like a deer in the headlights. This offensive line sucks ass but Cassel has just shown nothing.

So we're back to the Thiggy/Croyle excuse then?