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philfree 12-16-2009 12:12 PM

Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had. How these players would respond to new schemes and new work ethic. As far as the players that were brought in I think those guys were brought in to build the roster from the bottom up with a small hope of finding a diamond in the rough. So to look at that process as some kind of fail because the talent wasn't majorly overhauled is a little over the top IMO. I'm not down on Pioli for doing things his way. He should try to build this team the way he sees fit. We all arm chair evaluate some of his moves as good or bad and that's fine. But to not see what he's trying to do is the equivalent to burying ones head in the sand. Will Pioli's way get us what we want? I don't know but I can't blame him for the way he's started his rein in KC.


PhilFree:arrow:

Mecca 12-16-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6351606)
Or why it took an injury to get Mike Goff off the field.

Or why brokedick Vrabel continues to start.

Or why it took a gay slur to get Charles on the field.

There is no answer for it, the truth is they thought the past regime was so bad they could coach these guys up get a few vets and win 8 games...that's all I need to know about their ability to evaluate talent.

Pioli made a bunch of Carl esq win 8 games type of moves and people are saying this is different, are they high?

SAUTO 12-16-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351615)
There is no answer for it, the truth is they thought the past regime was so bad they could coach these guys up get a few vets and win 8 games...that's all I need to know about their ability to evaluate talent.

Pioli made a bunch of Carl esq win 8 games type of moves and people are saying this is different, are they high?

you dont know what the truth is. so why do you keep saying that shit

Fish 12-16-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6351674)
you dont know what the truth is. so why do you keep saying that shit

Please educate us then Matlock...

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6351611)
Truely a season of evaluation of the whole roster. I don't blame Piloi for standing pat and him and his HC learning first hand what they truely had.

I'm betting that Pioli had access to...the tape from last year's games.

This is an amazing thing.

Pioli did jack ****ing shit. He didn't improve the club in any single meaningful way, aside from the kicker. In fact, one can make a strong case that we're worse off now b/c of the asinine contract he gave to Cassel.

And many believe this approach was and is understandable.

Chiefnj2 12-16-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6351539)
So you're saying he couldn't do that, AND draft/sign some talented players?

It has to be one or the other?

Christ, there's 53 spots on an active roster. You're talking about a handful of players.

I think that the owner who paid those players lots of guaranteed money might want to see if those players are salvageable before throwing money at free agents. We all know that free agency isn't the wonder cure it's made out to be.

No, I'm not talking about a handful of players. More than a handful of players from the last several draft classes were around in May when the team actually got them on the field for the first time and had a hands on opportunity to coach and evaluate them.

SAUTO 12-16-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6351677)
Please educate us then Matlock...

did i say that i knew the truth. no. but he keeps saying the same goddamn thing over and over and acts like because he said it then its right.


none of us know what the actual truth is.why keep making assumptions




oh and fish go fist yourself you asshole

OnTheWarpath15 12-16-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6351677)
Please educate us then Matlock...

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Mecca 12-16-2009 12:36 PM

Jason should tell us again that Matt Cassel was bad throwing the deep ball because Moss was dogging it, cause you know there is no other evidence that he completely blows at it.

SAUTO 12-16-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6351694)
Jason should tell us again that Matt Cassel was bad throwing the deep ball because Moss was dogging it, cause you know there is no other evidence that he completely blows at it.

do you really want to go there this week? listen to the interviews after the pats last game. that should tell you ALL you need to know about moss...

SAUTO 12-16-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6351693)

i would expect you to chime in here, you are another one that thinks that because it crosses your mind it HAS GOT TO BE TRUE. dumbass

Mecca 12-16-2009 12:39 PM

Great, the play on the field should tell you all you need to know about Matt Cassel.

OnTheWarpath15 12-16-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6351686)
I think that the owner who paid those players lots of guaranteed money might want to see if those players are salvageable before throwing money at free agents. We all know that free agency isn't the wonder cure it's made out to be.

No, I'm not talking about a handful of players. More than a handful of players from the last several draft classes were around in May when the team actually got them on the field for the first time and had a hands on opportunity to coach and evaluate them.

Wha?

Niswanger?

McIntosh? (who was cut anyway)

Ron Edwards?

Bradley?


Please tell me your kidding with this line of bullshit excuses.


There's no reason why guys like Dorsey and Hali couldn't be evaluated while other talented players at other positions were brought in via the draft and FA.

Mecca 12-16-2009 12:40 PM

If the people who are defending Pioli really believe what they are posting I feel very bad for the future of our franchise. You're basically defending him by saying hey give him a break he's kinda stupid.

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 12:41 PM

What we know for a fact is that this past off-season was an impressive disaster, so we're pretty safe to make a few assumptions about how we reached this point.


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