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Micjones 03-07-2010 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6585793)
Wow, hypocritical much?

Walter, who's 28 years old, can't play until he's 33.

Yet the guy you're pimping, who's 31, has at least two years left in the tank.

Interesting.
Hold on... I NEVER said he could play two more years.
I suggested he's a one year stop-gap and you DRAFT his replacement.
I wouldn't depend on him producing for two more years.

Titty Meat 03-07-2010 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6585802)
In 2009:
Dwayne Bowe was targeted 87 times in 11 games.
Chris Chambers was targeted 61 times (as a Chief) in 9 games.

Sorry...what were you saying?
Whered you get those stats? I'd like to see how many times Bowe was targeted the first 2 games.

chiefzilla1501 03-07-2010 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6585793)
Wow, hypocritical much?

Walter, who's 28 years old, can't play until he's 33.

Yet the guy you're pimping, who's 31, has at least two years left in the tank.

Interesting.
The difference being that the next two years, we know we're not going to be perfect at every position. In 5 years, if either of these guys is our receiver, then we ****ed up big time.

Both of these guys are good options 2 years down the road when we're not competing for anything. It's unacceptable if either of these guys, at their age, are a major receiving option 4-5 years down the road.

DeezNutz 03-07-2010 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6585802)
In 2009:
Dwayne Bowe was targeted 87 times in 11 games.
Chris Chambers was targeted 61 times (as a Chief) in 9 games.

Sorry...what were you saying?
Link?

I'd like to look at targets.

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6585801)
Look, I'm worried about the consistency issue too. But you're really selling him short by saying he had an "average" year. He was on pace to gain 1100 yards for a shitty offense with a QB who was playing like shit.

Chambers was doing a lot of stuff that Bowe should have been long. He was catching a lot of very poorly thrown balls, doing a great job jumping up to get underthrown balls, catching balls in the middle of the field as well as serve as a legit deep option. He wasn't just an average #2 WR in 2009 with the Chiefs. He was a middle-of-the-road #1 WR.

If Chambers continues to commit to the game, I'm not worried about him. Frankly, I'm a hell of a lot more worried about Bowe.
How was he "on pace" for 1100 yards when he played 16 games last year?

Are we just going to gloss over the 7 games he played for a good team with a franchise QB just because he didn't produce there?

chiefzilla1501 03-07-2010 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6585803)
I don't think neither myself nor billay are painting Walter as the messiah.

He produces consistently, and buys you more time.

Chambers has produced once in five years, and you might get another year or two out of him.

I guess he really wowed people pulling in those punts from Cassel.
Well, I think it does speak volumes that he was finding ways to come down with the ball on very poorly thrown balls. Pretty consistently last year.

All you really need is 1-2 years. Keep in mind that next season, the free agent market is going to be a whole lot better. And you have 2-3 years of drafts to try to find Chambers' successor. I'd rather go after a cream of the crop receiver in the 2011 offseason than to just settle for a long-term option in 2010 because he was the best we could get.

Walter, like Chambers, is a stopgap at best. The only main advantage is that he buys you maybe an extra year or 2 to find his eventual replacement.

BryanBusby 03-07-2010 09:02 PM
It's funny people are bitching like resigning Chris Chambers is going to set this franchise back a bazillion years. If he comes back and sucks, Clark Hunt is out of some money and that's about it. It's not like the Chiefs are using picks to get him and will sign him to a 91.5 million dollar contract.

Along with that, if other teams were as interested in the "White Lightning" as CP was, I don't think he'd be as quick to resign with the Texans after Ozzie Newsome told him to GTFO

Titty Meat 03-07-2010 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 6585821)
It's funny people are bitching like resigning Chris Chambers is going to set this franchise back a bazillion years. If he comes back and sucks, Clark Hunt is out of some money and that's about it. It's not like the Chiefs are using picks to get him and will sign him to a 91.5 million dollar contract.
Umm it does set the franchise back. We could have signed a player that will produce and for longer.

chiefzilla1501 03-07-2010 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6585812)
How was he "on pace" for 1100 yards when he played 16 games last year?

Are we just going to gloss over the 7 games he played for a good team with a franchise QB just because he didn't produce there?
Yes. Entirely different situation. And nobody knows why it was the case, but he was completely distracted.

Like I said, yes, I worry about motivational issues. But I also know that his failure in San Diego was more in the head than it was lacking pure athletic ability. A lot of people believe that.

Micjones 03-07-2010 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6585808)
Whered you get those stats? I'd like to see how many times Bowe was targeted the first 2 games.
Chambers
Bowe

RustShack 03-07-2010 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6585811)
Link?

I'd like to look at targets.
I don't think you want a link to his ass ROFL

chiefzilla1501 03-07-2010 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6585825)
Umm it does set the franchise back. We could have signed a player that will produce and for longer.
Produce what? 800 yards in his prime?

He's not an elite receiver now and he's quickly approaching 30. If we were a few steps close to being a playoff team, fine. But who really cares if he gets 800 yards for a team that's not going to make the playoffs anyway?

OnTheWarpath15 03-07-2010 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6585819)
Well, I think it does speak volumes that he was finding ways to come down with the ball on very poorly thrown balls. Pretty consistently last year.

All you really need is 1-2 years. Keep in mind that next season, the free agent market is going to be a whole lot better. And you have 2-3 years of drafts to try to find Chambers' successor. I'd rather go after a cream of the crop receiver in the 2011 offseason than to just settle for a long-term option in 2010 because he was the best we could get.

Walter, like Chambers, is a stopgap at best. The only main advantage is that he buys you maybe an extra year or 2 to find his eventual replacement.
You keep forgetting about the most important advantage:

You know what you're going to get out of Walter because he's produced consistently over the past several years.

Chambers hasn't.

You guys can keep saying you think he'll equal last years production, but there's not a shred of evidence to back it up.

Titty Meat 03-07-2010 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6585829)
nevermind.

chiefzilla1501 03-07-2010 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6585833)
You keep forgetting about the most important advantage:

You know what you're going to get out of Walter because he's produced consistently over the past several years.

Chambers hasn't.

You guys can keep saying you think he'll equal last years production, but there's not a shred of evidence to back it up.
Before San Diego, his production wasn't a whole lot different from Walter's. For some reason in 2008-2009, he just had a really lousy stretch. I don't know if it was off-the-field distractions. If it was a falling out with Norv. Who knows. Again, it's something I worry about. But I also know that his play in San Diego was not even close to the same play as in Kansas City. He was dropping almost every easy pass that came his way in San Diego. It wasn't athletic ability--he looked like he didn't want to be on the field.

But apart from that, he was generally a 700-1000 yard receiver. That's about Walter's range too.


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