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salame 10-28-2010 07:39 PM

sanchez sucks too

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7126331)
what's your point?

we can't say that...

so far

FOR ONCE

our rookies are bang right out of the box?

FINE DUDE...WE'LL WAIT AND SEE AND WAIT AND SEE SO YOU CAN FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOUR DIPSHIT ANTICS ON DRAFT DAY...IT'S OK BUDDY...WANT A BELLY RUB AND A WARM GLASS OF MILK, TOO?

*yawn*

Your act has grown tiresome.

You're like a 4 year old kid tugging aT Momma's pants.

MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM

LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME.


For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with people saying that those three have played 6 good games. They have. I've said as much.

I have a problem with people declaring them outstanding picks after 6 games, while claiming that it's not fair to judge others after 20+.

If you're sober this evening, you'll understand this.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-28-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7125389)
So, you're saying the same thing everyone else said.

People bitched about the pick because he couldn't stay healthy in college, not because of a lack of talent.

But why let the facts get in the way?

This is a little revisionist. The same people that were griping about the injury, never really raved about how much talent he had.

They didn't say that he wasn't talented, but they didn't talk about how good of a talent he really was.

The reality is that he has far exceeded everyone's expectations. For where he was drafted, even if he plays 10 games a year, the pick was worth it.

Hootie 10-28-2010 07:43 PM

god forbid we're excited we have rookies who are contributing a lot to a team that appears as if it is in the upper tier in the NFL...

you either have or you don't in football...

the only way McCluster, Berry or Moeaki end up being bad picks is if they suffer a freak injury...only upside...

and other than Berry...Moeaki and McCluster don't even need upside...they are awesome as is...

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7126334)
and in all honesty...

as of right now

Sanchez and Cassel are a dead on wash.

Except one is 22 with unlimited upside, and one is 28, and has likely reached his ceiling.

I love it when people compare the two - it makes them look reeruned.

CASSEL'S RIGHT ON PAR WITH THAT 2ND YEAR PLAYER11!!!11

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 7126356)
This is a little revisionist. The same people that were griping about the injury, never really raved about how much talent he had.

They didn't say that he wasn't talented, but they didn't talk about how good of a talent he really was.

The reality is that he has far exceeded everyone's expectations. For where he was drafted, even if he plays 10 games a year, the pick was worth it.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gwgp4j.jpg

Folks, someone's scraping the very bottom of the barrel here.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-28-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7126351)
*yawn*

Your act has grown tiresome.

You're like a 4 year old kid tugging aT Momma's pants.

MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM MOM

LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME.


For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with people saying that those three have played 6 good games. They have. I've said as much.

I have a problem with people declaring them outstanding picks after 6 games, while claiming that it's not fair to judge others after 20+.

If you're sober this evening, you'll understand this.


I understand your point. While I agree, I will point out that 'typically', players improve. They are typically hitting their stride at 3 to 4 years. That is when, historically, players.... (other than QB's)...have tended to hit their peak.

So, declaring a player a bust is typically premature until that window has closed. Declaring a guy an outstanding pick could be argued to be logical with the general assumption that players improve over their first few years, and don't typically regress.

Now, with that said, there are cases that players do take a step back. So, it is not foolproof. But, overall, it is a much biggers stretch to call someone a bust after a few games than an outstanding picks.

Marcellus 10-28-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7126359)
Except one is 22 with unlimited upside, and one is 28, and has likely reached his ceiling.

I love it when people compare the two - it makes them look reeruned.

CASSEL'S RIGHT ON PAR WITH THAT 2ND YEAR PLAYER11!!!11

I can honestly say I would MUCH rather have Sanchez right now and well, it stings a little bit.

salame 10-28-2010 07:53 PM

moeaki and mccluster have helped win more games than any rookie form last year has this year or last year

LOCOChief 10-28-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7126299)
It's not stretching anything.

We gave up 6 yards per carry.

It's not debatable. It is fact.

Hell, take the Ward run out.

We still gave up 4.5 a carry.

Luckily, we won't face another team with a good running game and good passing game the rest of the year.

Jeez you're an ass. "Luckily"??? You haven't got a clue what the hell you're talking about yet look at your post count. amazing

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7126357)
god forbid we're excited we have rookies who are contributing a lot to a team that appears as if it is in the upper tier in the NFL...

you either have or you don't in football...

the only way McCluster, Berry or Moeaki end up being bad picks is if they suffer a freak injury...only upside...

and other than Berry...Moeaki and McCluster don't even need upside...they are awesome as is...

You can have all the upside in the world, but you have to produce.

Dex is on pace for 550 yards from scrimmage.

That's OK for a rookie, (funny how people claimed he'd easily break 1000) but as an early 2nd round pick, that number HAS to improve in years 2, 3 and 4.

If he's a good pick as some claim, he'll have no problem improving as the games/years go on.

OnTheWarpath15 10-28-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief (Post 7126385)
Jeez you're an ass. "Luckily"??? You haven't got a clue what the hell you're talking about yet look at your post count. amazing

Would you rather have the Jets or the Steelers on the schedule?

:spock:

Marcellus 10-28-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7126390)
You can have all the upside in the world, but you have to produce.

Dex is on pace for 550 yards from scrimmage.

That's OK for a rookie, (funny how people claimed he'd easily break 1000) but as an early 2nd round pick, that number HAS to improve in years 2, 3 and 4.

If he's a good pick as some claim, he'll have no problem improving as the games/years go on.

I see no reason to believe he wont improve.

His output in the offense is gradually climbing as well. I don't know what the end result will be but I am guessing well past 550.

ChiefsCountry 10-28-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7126383)
I can honestly say I would MUCH rather have Sanchez right now and well, it stings a little bit.

Chiefs would be talked about as this decade's dyntasy right now if that was the case.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-28-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7126359)
Except one is 22 with unlimited upside, and one is 28, and has likely reached his ceiling.

I love it when people compare the two - it makes them look reeruned.

CASSEL'S RIGHT ON PAR WITH THAT 2ND YEAR PLAYER11!!!11

Come on....

First, Cassel is ahead of that second year player. Second, Sanchez doesn't have 'unlimited' upside.

Now, Sanchez has proven me wrong already. Now, he hasn't proven to be a pro bowler yet, but he has been more of a leader than I thought he would be. I will probably eat crow for a while on Sanchez. I am prepared to do that. But, 'unlimited' upside?

Okay, now, for Cassel..... really, you think he has hit his ceiling? You mean, like Trent Green, Rich Gannon, Terry Bradshaw, Steve Young, Matt Hasselbeck, and many others. These are just the ones that came to mind.

I don't know how much better Cassel will get. No one on this board does, because frankly, his level of play currently was considered impossible five weeks ago.


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