The great state of Florida strongly supports Corporal punishment. But don't tell Mrs. Doubt****......she will try to move here and change that.

You have no concept of well.......... anything.

don't bother.....she can't read.

My mom used to beat other peoples kids.

and your mom's a whore!!

I didn't spank my kids let alone with a belt. Guess what, I have polite, considerate, well behaved kids. And trust me, my youngest son, at times could have provoked any normal, sane, peace loving, non-violent human being to turn into a raving child abuser. It didn't happen. I made a CHOICE not to 'discipline' my children in violent ways which are abusive. I did slap my son one time. The look of betrayal and sadness on his face was enough for me. Again, this child at times could have been a Supernanny candidate. Interestingly, she doesn't spank.

Parents make bad kids. Kids don't make bad parents.

Hmmmm. Do your children spend much time with you, Ms. memememe?

I ask because children learn from their parents and you display a tremendous amount of anger. Children can sense things like that and emotional inconsistencies are far more damaging than physical punishment ... and far longer lasting. My guess would be that your children might seem well-behaved, but are in fact, repressing enormous emotional pain, confusion, disappointment, and shame. In fact, it is quite possible that your son secretly dresses as a woman and your daughter is a closet cutter.

FAX

Thanks for the Psych 101. A good deal of time, actually given that they are teenage boys. You'd be disappointed at how 'normal' they are. They are teenagers and are doing quite well, thank you. They aren't model kids by any stretch but they are laying big shoes to fill amongst the kids in our extended family. They are involved involved in school, sports, the arts, community, etc. They are kids who are equally cool hanging at home eating pizza with their parents and watching a game as they are hanging with their friends. Can't say as a kid I ever wanted or chose to hang with my parents. As an adult I still don't much.

If they're relatively "normal", I'm pleased ... not disappointed.

It's just interesting to me that you place so much emphasis on how you raise your children better than other people ... at least people on here.

Plus, you strike me as a person with severe self-esteem issues. For example, you post on a board where the vast majority of your fellow posters dislike you. This exposes you to constant criticism which you appear to relish. It doesn't require a degree in psychology to recognize that, at some level, you feel you deserve to be criticized. I'm sure you're aware that most successful people prefer to associate with those who support, encourage, and empower while avoiding situations that are rife with negativity.

You, of course, attempt to shroud yourself in argument as though to present an image that is confident and self-assured. Still, the mere fact that you voluntarily expose yourself to constant disparagement belies that pretense.

The net result is a person who exhibits a dysfunctional personality and because children are highly sensitive to emotional messages and the sub-textual aspects of relationships, that would indicate an individual whose children might well be emotionally challenged, as well. That was my concern.

FAX

Funny, Logical made many of these observations when he hated me only to realize that I live by Eleanor Roosevelt's creed 'no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.' We grew to be good friends when he realized his assumptions were wrong. That my foray into psychology. Eastern philosophy, and yoga background insulates me from much of the crap. I just don't give a shit. Your problem with me is your problem. Just as mine with anyone else is. It's a choice. I choose not to. If I don't like someone on these stupid boards they are on ignore. Rather than waste my time engaging them or worrying about them.

And I'm not saying I raised my kids better than anyone. I'm saying that it's possible to raise good kids without spanking them. If you doubt it consider that the vast majority of kids these days are raised without being spanked and are good kids. The ones who aren't are the ones we hear about. Not the good ones. They are not interesting. As this video proves. Troubled, dysfunctional, abused, etc. make news not the kids who are doing well, living their lives, and becoming good human beings.

For someone who is into psychoanalyzing, I'm seeing a great deal of projection and assumption coming from you. Don't quit your day job.

Action TV interviews neighbors of the mass murderer.....and they all stated how "normal" he was. Not a sign of misbehavior or anger. Yet he killed 14.....

There is a very good example of what I'm talking about. The anger, I mean ... exhibited by lashing out. It's symptomatic of a lack of confidence and self-esteem.

You see, I don't have a problem with you. None whatsoever. In fact, I harbor no feelings about you one way or the other and I'm sure you realize that I rarely acknowledge you or reply to your posts ... only a few times since I've been on the board. I don't know you personally, therefore I can only assess your personality based on what I observe in your posts.

I think you are intelligent, in a way. That may be the issue, though. Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities theory posits (essentially) that intelligent people have tendencies toward emotional problems. It's basically a case where, the more complex the engine, the more likely it is to break down.

As for using yoga as armor against the negativity you bring upon yourself, I would like to mention that I also practice meditation and am aware that most Yogis conduct their classes in an environment of serenity. It's rare that you see someone in the corner calling you derogatory names. There's a reason for that.

Again, most people don't voluntarily and continually expose themselves to constant negativity, criticism, and disparagement unless, at some level, they feel they deserve it.

FAX

My presence and persona here is for entertainment. This is hardly a place where I'm spending a great deal of emotional investment I have other places on line for that.

Good analysis, Mr. Fax. I'd love to see your take on those on here who have noted she should be/should have been hit with a belt.

This girl, who is now an adult, is on Dr. Phil today.

I thought this was recent, evidently not.