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Saul Good 11-07-2011 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8090446)
It's nice that some of you live in a perfect world where powerful people are always brought to justice. And not a world where powerful people protect their own against scandal to ridiculous degrees, own the local police, control the local media, etc. Suppose the kid won't admit the truth? He's under the guy's spell enough that he's willing to suck his dick in the shower - do you really think Sandusky couldn't get him to lie? Or threaten his parents? Or have some goons do it? No other witness, victim says your full of shit, no proof, cops don't want to pursue it, press won't touch it, and BOOM you're out of a job, nobody believes you, and maybe you wake up with a horse head at the foot of your bed one morning.

I like to think I'd do the right thing as well, but I've never been in that position and hope to Christ I never am. And I think child molestation is worse than murder.
So be it. You can only do what you can do. Blow the whistle and take the minuscule chance that you're a pariah because people don't believe you. It beats living with knowing that you let a monster roam free.

Saul Good 11-07-2011 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090456)
The scariest shit about human psychology is that we all know what's right, but throw yourself in that kind of a situation, and we all panic and act in ways we shouldn't. It's been psychologically tested over and over again that many of us would have acted the same way.

Unfortunately, it's easy to talk a big game on the sidelines. Of course he didn't do the right thing. But when you see shit like that, your mind isn't right. We panic. And a million thoughts swirl through your brain. I'd like to believe I'd do the right thing in that situation. I'm just pointing to the reality that it's not as simple as that.
That may be true, but none of what you just said makes it okay.

eazyb81 11-07-2011 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8090446)
It's nice that some of you live in a perfect world where powerful people are always brought to justice. And not a world where powerful people protect their own against scandal to ridiculous degrees, own the local police, control the local media, etc. Suppose the kid won't admit the truth? He's under the guy's spell enough that he's willing to suck his dick in the shower - do you really think Sandusky couldn't get him to lie? Or threaten his parents? Or have some goons do it? No other witness, victim says your full of shit, no proof, cops don't want to pursue it, press won't touch it, and BOOM you're out of a job, nobody believes you, and maybe you wake up with a horse head at the foot of your bed one morning.

I like to think I'd do the right thing as well, but I've never been in that position and hope to Christ I never am. And I think child molestation is worse than murder.
I will be completely honest. If I worked for a football team or company that implicitly allowed child molestation by a higher up, and that was the only football team or company that I could work for, I would switch careers.

That isn't Internet tough guy speak or whatever, that is the truth. There is just no excuse for the absolute lack of morality and human empathy that McQuery showed by not going apeshit over this.

Al Bundy 11-07-2011 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090415)
Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire an Assistant. My school commits all kinds of borderline shady recruiting violations and I'm looking for a defensive coach. So let me "do the right thing" and please do me a huge, huge favor, and don't turn in anything you see on the recruiting front to the NCAA. I can trust you, right? Pretty please?

But I'm going to hire you, because you did the right thing.
:shake::doh!:

Bugeater 11-07-2011 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8090457)
So be it. You can only do what you can do. Blow the whistle and take the minuscule chance that you're a pariah because people don't believe you. It beats living with knowing that you let a monster roam free.
You're missing the point. You can do all the right things and the monster still may roam free. And a lot of you must have missed the posts about the prosecutor in this case turning up missing.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 8090427)
Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire a recruiting coordinator. I would prefer one will make parents feel like they are making a good safe decision by sending their kid to our institution. Nothing assures parents more than sending someone that kept quiet about child rape.
If you're hiring a recruiting coordinator for a D-1 program, you are going to ask him to do some shady, shady shit. They are going to ask you to sneak money to kids in every way possible to get them to join their school. And they're all doing it. We've learned pretty quickly that Athletic Directors are pretty shady characters. You honestly think they're looking for the ethical guy vs. a guy they know will keep his mouth shut? That's not the way the world works, much as I wish it did.

Frazod 11-07-2011 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8090457)
So be it. You can only do what you can do. Blow the whistle and take the minuscule chance that you're a pariah because people don't believe you. It beats living with knowing that you let a monster roam free.
When I'm thrust into a crisis situation, I tend to react violently. I doubt if I'd go meekly snitch on the guy - I'd probably grab the nearest thing I could use as a weapon and beat the hell out of him.

But most people don't have my temper.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8090458)
That may be true, but none of what you just said makes it okay.
I didn't say it was "okay." I said it's human nature.

eazyb81 11-07-2011 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090475)
If you're hiring a recruiting coordinator for a D-1 program, you are going to ask him to do some shady, shady shit. They are going to ask you to sneak money to kids in every way possible to get them to join their school. And they're all doing it. We've learned pretty quickly that Athletic Directors are pretty shady characters. You honestly think they're looking for the ethical guy vs. a guy they know will keep his mouth shut? That's not the way the world works, much as I wish it did.
Are you really trying to compare paying players under the table in recruiting to child molestation? Really?

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090475)
If you're hiring a recruiting coordinator for a D-1 program, you are going to ask him to do some shady, shady shit. They are going to ask you to sneak money to kids in every way possible to get them to join their school. And they're all doing it. We've learned pretty quickly that Athletic Directors are pretty shady characters. You honestly think they're looking for the ethical guy vs. a guy they know will keep his mouth shut? That's not the way the world works, much as I wish it did.
If you can't determine the difference between dumb stuff like giving kids money, cars and clothes and being a part of a cover up on crimes against humanity, I have literally no idea what to tell you.

OnTheWarpath15 11-07-2011 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090415)
Hi, I'm an NCAA head coach looking to hire an Assistant. My school commits all kinds of borderline shady recruiting violations and I'm looking for a defensive coach. So let me "do the right thing" and please do me a huge, huge favor, and don't turn in anything you see on the recruiting front to the NCAA. I can trust you, right? Pretty please?

But I'm going to hire you, because you did the right thing.
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8090425)
Holy shit, just when I think your posts in this thread couldn't possibly get any more ignorant, you post this.

*speechless*
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090475)
If you're hiring a recruiting coordinator for a D-1 program, you are going to ask him to do some shady, shady shit. They are going to ask you to sneak money to kids in every way possible to get them to join their school. And they're all doing it. We've learned pretty quickly that Athletic Directors are pretty shady characters. You honestly think they're looking for the ethical guy vs. a guy they know will keep his mouth shut? That's not the way the world works, much as I wish it did.
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8090482)
Are you really trying to compare paying players under the table in recruiting to child molestation? Really?
Welp, apparently there is another rung on Zilla's ignorance ladder.

chiefzilla1501 11-07-2011 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8090482)
Are you really trying to compare paying players under the table in recruiting to child molestation? Really?
When did I say that?

I'm saying that McQueary snitches, and his career goes backwards. Athletic Directors are crooked. They're not looking to hire the good guy. They're not going to hire a guy who turned a coach in and sunk their program, and could just as easily sink theirs. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

DeezNutz 11-07-2011 08:12 PM
So his potential fear of committing career suicide, which caused him to be morally bankrupt, is going to lead to career suicide.

Classic irony for a completely worthless piece of shit.

VAChief 11-07-2011 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8090383)
I'm not sure which is more ridiculous.

You trying to defend McQueary, or thinking the guy would be blackballed from college football or any other job because he turned in a child molester.
This...to equate fear from turning on the SS when your life is in danger to turning in a child molester is beyond logic...if they fired him for doing the right thing, it would only bring the University more shame.

BryanBusby 11-07-2011 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8090489)
When did I say that?

I'm saying that McQueary snitches, and his career goes backwards. Athletic Directors are crooked. They're not looking to hire the good guy. They're not going to hire a guy who turned a coach in and sunk their program, and could just as easily sink theirs. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
I don't think many, if any, Athletic Directors are gonna be all, "Welp, **** hiring this ginger because he decided to say something about disgusting acts that had absolutely nothing to do with student athletics"


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