Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 8133067)

I kinda see us like the 49ers last year in a sense. We've got good young talent, but we've got coaches who don't necessarily know what they want this team to be and how to coach them to be that team. The most damning thing to me about Haley is that we have no identity. Some of that is injuries, but I lay a lot of that on his promotion of Muir to OC. Again, to me this is like Mike Singletary and Jimmy Raye. You've got guys who are showing that they don't really know how to put guys in positions to succeed. I get that there are injuries, but there is no excuse to getting blown out this many times.

I think you get a proven, veteran coach in here who knows how to drive guys and get them ready to compete, and who can actually work with other coaches so that you can bring in a bright mind at OC, then you sprinkle in some more talent through the draft, sign a few savvy free agents, and get your injured stars back, and we can be right back in the thick of it. Lots of people coming into the year were comparing us to where the Packers were a few years ago, when they went from 13-3 to 6-10, then back to 11-5. I see the makings of a good nucleus here. The critical difference, of course, is the lack of the franchise QB. But again that's where I go back to SF, because Harbaugh is proving that if you know what you are doing and give your team an identity and put guys in a position to succeed, you can still win with a guy like Smith...

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8134155)

Hali led the team in sacks his rookie year.
Bowe averaged about 80 receptions and 1000 yards his first two years.

Real underachievers there.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8134121)

The Chiefs have been blown out and scored 10 points or less in half their games this season. You think that's good coaching?

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8134417)

How about addressing the points I make instead of completely changing direction. Like I've said, for all the arguments we make about the importance of a franchise QB, why are we so insistent that Haley win without one? It's pretty simple. The Chiefs get blown out a lot because when they fall 2-3 TDs behind, they have to rely on Cassel and have to ditch the running game.

You know what? Aaron Rodgers doesn't get blown out because when his defense falls behind, he picks up the pace. The Chiefs don't have someone like that. Other than Indianapolis, how many games can you remember where Matt Cassel picked up his defense?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8134174)

But they've both improved dramatically since his arrival.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8134462)

Correlation has something to say about causation. Did Herm really coach up Jared Allen?

Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8134456)

We've been blown out with Charles and without Charles.

14 blowouts in 42 games is not an accident.

Haley is garbage.

Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8134475)

The three most important positions in a franchise are GM, head coach, and QB. Thus far, I'm far more convinced that Pioli and Cassel are garbage than I am about Haley.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8134472)

Haley is what he is, another one hit wonder offensive coordinator like Mike Mularkey, Greg Robinson, any many, many others. Honestly, he doesn't have a super impressive, or long, track record as an OC either. He's done nothing to indicate that he's anything other than replaceable. I don't even buy the "players play hard for him" line. If they did, more talented Chiefs teams, which this definitely is, wouldn't be getting curb stomped more than the Herm teams did.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8134515)

Haley failed miserably this year from the start of training camp. The team looks soft, scared, unprepared, unorganized and just generally sucks. That is not the sign of a good head coach in his 3rd year with a team.