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htismaqe 12-11-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200595)
True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson


Barkley.


But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.

Agree 100% with all of the above.

keg in kc 12-11-2012 05:43 PM

I think the only reason we're talking about Barkley at all is the possibility of falling to the 3rd pick, and Smith and Wilson being picks one and two.

Which I don't think is really a realistic possibility for a number of reasons...

But stranger things have happened.

Wilson's probably the biggest wild card for me. Being a Petrino QB worries me much like being a USC QB worries me. But attribute wise, I think he certainly has more to like than Barkley.

In the end, I really hope it's Smith.

Sorter 12-11-2012 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200595)
True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson


Barkley.


But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.

Nassib>Barkley.

kcbubb 12-11-2012 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 9199786)
"So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB."

There are only 2 reasons why it's a great year - rookie salary cap and the fact that we're desperate.

We'd draft the top QB from sister Mary's middle school if she could throw 20 yards.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

keg in kc 12-11-2012 05:48 PM

That's great if we're trying to be the Browns or Bengals.

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 9200619)
I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

the Talking Can 12-11-2012 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9200406)
Whomever we pick, I'm considerably CONSIDERABLY less concerned if he is the next Luck than I am that he is the next Leaf, Carr, or Akili Smith.

oh noes, so risky....we might end up 2-14 if that happens

the Talking Can 12-11-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9200608)
I think the only reason we're talking about Barkley at all is the possibility of falling to the 3rd pick, and Smith and Wilson being picks one and two.

Which I don't think is really a realistic possibility for a number of reasons...

But stranger things have happened.

Wilson's probably the biggest wild card for me. Being a Petrino QB worries me much like being a USC QB worries me. But attribute wise, I think he certainly has more to like than Barkley.

In the end, I really hope it's Smith.

co-sign

O.city 12-11-2012 06:06 PM

Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?


Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

RealSNR 12-11-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200642)
Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9200662)
Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?


Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

He plays on a shitty team, and he's black. /BS "logic"

DeezNutz 12-11-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9200668)
Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

Cool. And we're sacrificing a first next year to trade back up to get whom?

(understand you're not advocating this)

O.city 12-11-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9200674)
He plays on a shitty team, and he's black. /BS "logic"

I'm seriously asking for someone to break down his flaws.


I'm of the opinion that if his defense was even average and they win a few of those close games, we aren't really having this discussion right now.

kcbubb 12-11-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9200662)
Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?


Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

I haven't watched him play much, but I have heard that he is a system guy with most of his passes coming from short passing plays and the yardage is mostly YAC yards. He did well early and has really slipped late. Which could because people have figured out the system, but I really don't know.... That's just what I've read.

O.city 12-11-2012 06:13 PM

I've watched him play alot, and I know what I think his flaws are, I was just wanting some outside perspective.


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