You just did you ****ing moron.

Hmmm...

Let's take a look at three possible outcomes come draft day:

1. Geno Smith in the first and Kevin Minter in the second.

2. Manti Te'o in the first and, say, Ryan Nassib or Mike Glennon in the second.

3. Luke Joeckel in the first and trade our second for Alex Smith.

I think I'll go with door number one, Bob. That's two Day 1 high level starters. Yes please.

Manti Te'o isn't this prized treasure that every defense needs. He's not a once-in-a-lifetime player. He's not ****ing Ray Lewis. I don't know why the hell you think he is.

He's ****ing not.

Not understanding that the QB position is so important? Are you really that dumb? Do you really think that I rank QB play so lowly that I don't know the importance of the QB position in football? Did you even play football? Just a question, I did.

It was a joke you idiot, Jesus Christ. Sarcasm played upon you guys as Glennon now made his way into a Mock as the #1 QB taken, after it was a constant flip flop of Geno and Barkley all year, which contradicts your point made above this about how its been Geno/Wilson all along. It hasn't and the scouts/talking heads agree with me, else they would be posting mocks like last year where it was a consensus that it would be Luck/RG3 only for the #1/#2 spots, and no one else.

:spock:

Sometimes you have to dumb it down that far for people to grasp the concept that perhaps there is, in fact, a logical process to the draft. And not just drafting a QB with your first pick because you need one, regardless of who else is on the board.

I like you now.

We won't let Dustin leave, this is the Kansas City Chiefs, we set records for most punts inside of the 20. How could we ever let that go?

As for the draft route, it doesn't do anything but allow us to get maximum value out of our first two draft picks, nothing else.

I really doubt at this point, that both Wilson and Smith will be gone inside of the top 10. I also doubt that there will be a thin group of solid QB's at the start of the second round. There will be 2, at most 3 QB's taken in the first, and right now, that might even look high. That is how bad this QB draft class is. That does not mean this draft class isn't good as a whole.

So many of you seem to think that the draft is based solely on the QB position. That if there isn't a solid group of QB's, the draft sucks and there isn't a solid group of players in the draft at all. That is incorrect, this is probably the most stacked linemen draft we've seen in a long time. There are a ton of serviceable QB's available, as well as a ton of linebackers available. I'm not going to argue that there isn't talent in this draft at the ILB position, I'm just saying that if there is ONE guy who ends up being leaps and bounds above everyone else, and that isn't at the QB position, and it ends up being a guy in a position of need, why not take him and get your QB later? You certainly won't lose talent by doing this.

And I really think you are underselling Te'o, it is really hard to place value on a solid tackler from a drafting perspective, but in game time situations, priceless. And what has been our biggest weakness in the front 7 for the last few years? Tackling inside the tackles, go figure.

Wanna bet?

Smith and Wilson will be gone within the top 10. Barkley will be gone in the first round. Glennon MIGHT be gone as well, depending on what Aaron Murray is doing.

We're going to have to pick from Tyler Bray and Ryan Nassib in the 2nd round, both players who need time on the bench with the coaches before they get thrown onto the field.

They're garbage compared to Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. Both of those guys have elite QB talent that you don't find in every draft. It's idiocy to pass that up all in the name of draft value.

All you're doing right now is ensuring me that the QBs will be there in the 2nd round. I think you're a ****ing lunatic. There's no way a Day 1 starting QB will be there in the 2nd round for us. At least 3 will be taken in the 1st. Likely 4, and possibly 5.

Those are NOT good odds for our guy that we draft. All so we could take ****ing TEO?

Or:
1. Geno Smith
2. Xavier Rhodes
3a. Margus Hunt
3b. Jonathan Franklin
4. Baccari Rambo
5. AJ Klein
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. Ray Ray Armstrong

Drafting a LB to improve the tackling is like drafting a WR to improve the drop percentage.

What you want is a LB who will always be in a position to make the play. That's what Patrick Willis does very well. The opposite is a guy who is incapable of getting into a good position, but always wraps up when he does. Like Mike Maslowski.

Te'o is something in between. But he sure as **** ain't Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, and that's not going to help us out one bit.

Geno Smith, however, WILL help us out if he even plays decent. He'll help us out A LOT.

After saying the NFL isn't that much different and also being willing to take Teo over Geno/Wilson, yeah I do think you don't understand. Congrats on playing football though. Certainly hasn't helped you understand how important an NFL QB is.

All along? Did I say that? Talking about right now. Your listing of Barkley over Wilson shows you are stuck on pre-season thoughts. Watch some Barkley. I have never listed other mocks as my source so not sure how what they say contradicts anything.

I'm going to say right now that it is Geno, but Wilson and Bray will give him a run for the money, but I do not think there will be two QB's taken in the top 10, and if it does happen, we're talking #9 or #10 itself. I don't see many QB's taken in the late round either, as most of them have young QB's from the last 5 years of drafting, both in terms of starters and backups.

Who is to say I don't do the same, or more? Are you in fact a scout for the NFL? You didn't answer that question.

Idiot, no. Genius level IQ, yes. And his response wasn't right there, as it did not fit the question I asked, go back and read it over again. I made the point clear that both I and the rest of the talking heads believe the QB cluster**** to be a tossup, and the LB position is not a cluster****, there are guys out there that have separated, Te'o is one of them. At least in my eyes, and those of the professionals, for now. Again as I stated ****ing years ago now, we've yet to see Senior Bowls, Pro Days, and a Combine, which is where all of this changes.

As for the last bit, I'm not shafting Talent at the QB level really, if they are all the same, if they are all literally at a tie, why the **** would I EVER IN MY LIFE take one with the first pick of the draft, if there is a position of need that has separated himself from the rest, knowing I can get THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT at QB in the 2nd, rather than the first?

I wouldn't be shafting talent if they are all equal, now would I? ERMAHGERD THERT MERKS SCERNTS


I just did what? There wasn't really a structure in there to make that remark with..........lol

If you really think Nassib/Glennon is our option with our 2nd round draft pick, you are putting far too much "need" for QB's going into this draft for the teams in the NFL lol. Also, go ahead and put Bray in as the #4 guy ahead of Nassib, Glennon, and Murray, if you have Murray ahead of him.

That being said, if my option is Te'o in the first and Wilson/Bray/Smith/Barkley in the 2nd, I'd rather that, RIGHT NOW (qualifying word, be careful) than Smith and Minter/Ogletree.

Emphasis on RIGHT NOW, since that is the qualifying word in that sentence and everything is subject and likely to change after the combine.

Because I think a lot of people here on CP undervalue him because all they want to look at is a QB right now.

And to be honest, that is a completely justifiable reason to make that statement, because if you take a step back right now, all this forum is about is QB's right now, we don't give a **** what else is going on with this roster, QB is the only position we care about. Not the contracts/lack of contracts for Bowe, Albert, Colquitt, much more important players right now than which of 5 QB's we take in this draft who haven't managed to really separate themselves yet.

Shameful really, collectively we are all so narrow minded and focused on Geno that we have lost interest elsewhere.

At some point you said you needed to look at more tape on a few guys. Kinda sounds like somebody not doing as much research as NightFyre. Or maybe we all misunderstood you yet again. It's all the sarcasm and lack of reading comprehension. Yeah, everyone is making the exact same mistakes. Probably not just you.

2012 Tackle Leaders:

1. Luke Kuechly: 1st round
2. NaVorro Bowman: 3rd round
3. Chad Greenway: 1st round
4. Jerod Mayo: 1st round
5. Jerrell Freeman: Undrafted free agent
6. James Laurinaitis: 2nd round
7. Bobby Wagner: 2nd round
8. Lavonte David: 2nd round
9. London Fletcher: Undrafted free agent
10. Paul Posluszny: 2nd round
11. Karlos Dansby: 2nd round
12. Daryl Washington: 2nd round
13. Russell Allen: Undrafted free agent
14. Perry Riley: 4th round
15. Vontaze Burfict: Undrafted free agent
16. Derrick Johnson: 1st round
17. Morgan Burnett: 3rd round
18. David Harris: 2nd round
19. Curtis Lofton: 2nd round
20. Rey Maualuga: 2nd round

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And who exactly is going to be taking all of these QB's in the first round? I'm curious.

And also, until we see a Combine and a few pro days, we cannot assume any player has truly separated themselves from the rest, when the talking heads themselves are picking a new QB every week for the #1 QB taken.

Ewwww, and then lol @ Lattimore.

I think you're underselling Te'o stil, but it doesn't bother me. I do agree that Geno will help a lot, but how much more will Geno help over, say, Wilson or Bray? So far from what everyone has seen, that gets paid for their input, not much if any. So why not go ahead and take that guy who is head and shoulders above the rest, Te'O and then get your equal value QB in the 2nd?

Don't just argue that I'm wrong, jump inside of my hypothesis and justify your decision, or simply say "In your hypothesis you are correct, we should do that". I'm tired of having to argue adjusted variables in your guys' arguments here. My argument is simply if everything is set in stone as it sits and there is ZERO separation at QB and we are GUARANTEED to get the same talent in round 2 as round 1, would you really draft a QB? That's all I'm asking here. Simple Yes or No would suffice. "Yes" for "I'm an idiot" "No" for "I have a brain and use it at least thrice a day".

So again, you haven't comprehended anything I've written and you're just crying in your coacoa puffs because I'm not on your "Draft Geno" bandwagon? Build a bridge cry baby. I'm not sold on Geno, but I am sold on Te'o, and until Geno proves otherwise, I will not be sold on Geno or any other QB so far. Does that mean I am saying we shouldn't draft a QB? NO, you're dumb. I'm just saying we should get one in the second round if one does not emerge as an Elite QB.

As for QBs, I have Wilson above Barkley, but that doesn't mean Wilson will get drafted first.

Contrary to popular belief Mr. Herptyderp, teams don't normally draft players based on their ranking.

HUGE ****ING SHOCK

MIND BLOWN

We understand you perfectly. My issue isn't just where you think Wilson will get drafted, its also that you have him listed over Barkley in your actual rankings.

So you're under the assumption that because I say I need to see more game tape, that automatically means NightFyre has seen more than I? Because I openly admit to the fact that I haven't seen every single snap this season? Jesus Christ, really? You act like I've never seen Geno take a snap, even though I've already mentioned I've seen him play quite a few games this season. Hmmmm. Total logic on your part. Certainly seems to me like you're trying to take my modest comment about needing to see more game tape, as an angle to assert the idea that both you and NightFyre are somehow better at talent evaluation than I because you ASSUME you've seen more game tape, or that seeing the most Game Tape means you have a better evaluation than anyone else. I wonder how the world of Scouting works if that is to be the case.
So you're saying the majority of the Tackles being made in the NFL, are by 1st and 2nd round talents?

Where did the 5-7th round guys go? :/

Alright gonna play some devil's advocate here.

Say that 3 weeks from now at the Senior Bowl, every QB there doesn't look great. They all look about the same. Nothing special or standing out to an NFL coaching staff and scouts have concerns.

Then at the combine, some of them show really good IQ, but again their physical abilities are good in different areas (size, touch, accuracy, etc).

Going into April, scouts from across the league, as well as GM's, reportedly don't think that any of these QB's warrant a top 10 pick because the class is that bad.

You try to trade down but nobody bites and you're stuck at 1st overall. What do you do?

Right?

Because I believe in logic and practical analysis, and don't believe that at eam will draft a guy solely because Kiper ranks him higher.

So while I do have Wilson very high on my list, I don't think the draft will follow that suit because what works for one team, will not always work for another.

You'll also remember that there seems to be USC QB love in the NFL, often making guys go much earlier than they should have in the draft, Barkley is definitely going to benefit from that IMO, but I do not think more than 3 QBs are taken in the draft, thus why I accepted that bet earlier for the sig.