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FringeNC 03-23-2013 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524265)
In only seven games, Foles got 1,799 yards with a lower average yard/attempt, lower completion percentage, lower td/int ratio, and lower QB rating than Alex Smith.

I don't think a 4,000 to 4,500 yard season is out of the question for Alex next year given how much Andy likes to throw the ball.
Yep. Andy Reid is not bringing in Alex Smith to be a game manager. Simple point, but for some reason, controversial.

Mav 03-23-2013 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524293)
Brady knows where to put the ball so his recievers can get yards after the catch?
or whats more likely for anyone that has watched a Pats game, that the majority of their passes to wes welker, are quick slants or wr screens. or quick outs to hernandez. Point being that putting the ball in your play makers hands, like alex smith did with michael crabtree last year, is actually a GOOD thing. Not a negative......

Mr. Laz 03-23-2013 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan (Post 9524281)
Clay...
:hmmm:

Mav 03-23-2013 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524290)
LMAO

LMAO

LMAO

We didn't trade for a QB based on an 8-game sample you dolt.

God you're pathetic.
Nope. Im not the dolt here. I said 2011 is irrelevant. i didnt say it was irrelevant because 2012 was better, which it was, i said 2011 is irrelevant, because andy reid has liked alex smith since he was drafted, and it has been stated on this forum that he has been trying to trade for him for YEARS. 2011, is most irrelevant though, because of the LOCKOUT, and the crap show at receiver the 49ers had. Any time your BEST play maker says i didnt understand the play book, (vernon davis) until week 10!!!! that is a reason to deem it irrelevant. But, then again, to myopic people who dont understand team chemistry, and the chemistry between a receiver, and his qb, are going to think this is just an excuse.

That may be true, but if thats the case, why was tom brady pissed that wes welker left? He can do that with anyone, Right?????

Hammock Parties 03-23-2013 06:16 PM
Let me guess...only 2012 is relevant...because he would have thrown 26 TDs if you project out those 8 games! OMG!

DaFace 03-23-2013 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9524247)
My expectation is Trent Green levels of team success with at least a playoff win or two. Anything short of that is failure IMO. Anything beyond that will be a pleasant surprise.

The reason I have slightly higher expectations for AS than what Trent Green produced is because AS has the benefit of a team that's on the rise whereas Trent Green was on an aging team that was trying to keep the window open as long as possible. I think the AFC West will be an easier division over the next few years than it was in the early 2000s too.
That's about where I'm at. My hope is that we also groom someone underneath him so that if he doesn't get there, we've got another option (unlike the hodgepodge of awful QB's we had after Trent went down).

Mav 03-23-2013 06:17 PM
so, when i get called for bullshit about vernon davis....

here is the article....

http://www.examiner.com/article/49er...-he-wants-more

Mav 03-23-2013 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9524332)
Let me guess...only 2012 is relevant...because he would have thrown 26 TDs if you project out those 8 games! OMG!
No, the stats themselves are mostly irrelevant, because that is who andy reid wanted. I dont buy into the stats at all with alex smith, because he is only going to do what his coaches tell him to do. There is no maverick in him, no ability to create on his own. Hes going to do whatever andy tells him to do. The same that he did with Nolan, singletary, and Jim. Hes the perfect soldier that way.

The stats with alex smith, are the biggest misleader out there. I dont get why that is such a hard concept for people to grasp.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9524206)
I think you underestimate the power of winning.

This forum (well no forum) has never really existed in a time where the team was consistently successful. 2002-2003 would be the closest.

The rest of the time, this team's been crap. When we were all on the star board in '99 and '00 bitching about Gunther and Grbac, it was crap. When Vermeil came in 2001 it was still crap. In 2002 and 2003 it was great on offense, but complete crap on defense. And was crap thereafter until this day, basically.

They haven't won a playoff game since the 1993 season. Think about that.

Has there ever been any sizable online environment where the Chiefs were good?

That has to color everything in some way or another. Imagine four years from now, in this fantasy world where Alex Smith is Joe Montana reborn, we're winning playoff games and making superbowls.

Do you *really* think that wouldn't have an impact on the fanbase? On this forum? That people wouldn't enjoy that more than bitching and moaning? Or even being "right" in this anonymous online world?

I think that's probably why there's so much bitching and moaning. Because people want to win so badly.
I hope you are right. I think the poll in the negativity thread proves that the vast majority of people are at least hopeful, and the negative are in a small minority. But it is hard to tell that from reading the threads here, as the negative people dominate every discussion with doom and gloom making it seem like they are the majority. I think if I really looked I would see that it is mainly the same 10-15 people, but it sure seems like more sometimes.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9524287)
If Alex Smith can post Trent Green type numbers, we will have several shots at a Super Bowl. We actually have a defense this time around.
This.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 9524333)
That's about where I'm at. My hope is that we also groom someone underneath him so that if he doesn't get there, we've got another option (unlike the hodgepodge of awful QB's we had after Trent went down).
They are trying to trade down AND trade Albert for picks. They apparently want as many picks as possible in the 1st and 2nd. It seems likely that they have a QB they like that they think will be available with one of those picks. I hope so anyway.

jd1020 03-23-2013 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524380)
They are trying to trade down AND trade Albert for picks. They apparently want as many picks as possible in the 1st and 2nd. It seems likely that they have a QB they like that they think will be available with one of those picks. I hope so anyway.
Reid has already announced that Smith is the starter and Daniel is #2. They aren't going to draft a QB early to sit him on the inactive list.

splatbass 03-23-2013 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9524385)
Reid has already announced that Smith is the starter and Daniel is #2. They aren't going to draft a QB early to sit him on the inactive list.
You don't know that. There is no Luck or RGIII this year. They may think that all of the QBs in this draft need a year or two before they can play in the NFL. And if they have the luxury of doing that, why not? It is what Reid intended to do with Foles last year before Vick was injured.

jd1020 03-23-2013 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9524400)
You don't know that. There is no Luck or RGIII this year. They may think that all of the QBs in this draft need a year or two before they can play in the NFL. And if they have the luxury of doing that, why not? It is what Reid intended to do with Foles last year before Vick was injured.
Was Foles #3 on the depth chart?

keg in kc 03-23-2013 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 9524309)
Yep. Andy Reid is not bringing in Alex Smith to be a game manager. Simple point, but for some reason, controversial.
The point isn't controversial at all. Alex Smith's capacity to be more than a game manager is what's in contention.


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