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O.city 04-18-2014 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10570740)
And it's ****ing reeruned to say that Fisher was in anywhere near as good of a position to succeed as Sheldon Richardson. That DL was already very good when he got there.
He didn't have to learn to play on the complete opposite side he has always played on. He didn't have to play next to a failed G who got benched. He didn't have to go through injuries.

From the moment Eric Fisher was drafted anyone who follows this team knew he was taken on his incredible ability. Nobody said he was going to be an insanely talented player year 1 like Matt Kalil. Hell none of the other 2 OT's drafted early did shit either. Should they be cut too?

For crying out loud man. You saying a rookie is a bad movie after 1 goddamn year in general is pure idiocy. It's even more reeruned when you realize the guy is playing his natural position on the left side in year 2.

Give it at least this season to see how he's doing. Christ.

This rookie was taken first overall. Not in the third round, he was hailed by the chiefs as the best player in the draft.

You keep bringing up other players, they don't matter.

The guy failed at playing rt, but we are supposed to think hell magically improve at lt?

htismaqe 04-18-2014 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 10570144)
The expectations with Fisher were set to high by fans right out of the gate.

No, no, no ****ing no.

It is NOT unrealistic to expect the FIRST OVERALL pick to be better than Fisher was.

Forget dominant, he was flat out TERRIBLE at times. TERRIBLE.

RunKC 04-18-2014 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10570800)
This rookie was taken first overall. Not in the third round, he was hailed by the chiefs as the best player in the draft.

You keep bringing up other players, they don't matter.

The guy failed at playing rt, but we are supposed to think hell magically improve at lt?

He played LT in college. Switching to RT is like a left handed batter switching to the right side. It's not easy, especially for a rookie.

This year we'll find out what Fisher will do. But for now it's pretty ****ing stupid to judge this kid solely on last years circumstance.

O.city 04-18-2014 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10570825)
He played LT in college. Switching to RT is like a left handed batter switching to the right side. It's not easy, especially for a rookie.

This year we'll find out what Fisher will do. But for now it's pretty ****ing stupid to judge this kid solely on last years circumstance.

If he were getting beat solely because I technique, you'd have a point.

But he was physically overmatched

O.city 04-18-2014 06:50 AM

What else do we have to judge him on?

Up to this point, he hasn't even been a replacement level player. Not that that can't change, but in his first year, he was an injury prone mess.

Coogs 04-18-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10570832)
If he were getting beat solely because I technique, you'd have a point.

But he was physically overmatched

He does have a full offseason to be in the Chiefs workouts in the weight program this year. I expect a big change in both technique and physicality this fall, regardless of which side he plays on.

RunKC 04-18-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10570833)
What else do we have to judge him on?

Up to this point, he hasn't even been a replacement level player. Not that that can't change, but in his first year, he was an injury prone mess.

Our entire draft class was an injury prone mess, which sucks because only Knile Davis was injury prone in college.

O.city 04-18-2014 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 10570901)
He does have a full offseason to be in the Chiefs workouts in the weight program this year. I expect a big change in both technique and physicality this fall, regardless of which side he plays on.

This is the biggest complaint though. We took a guy first overall who wasn't physically able to play at a high level. If it were just a technique thing, you could more easily move past it and look easier.

I think he's got high upside and I'm glad they took him over the others, but there are some pretty big question marks there.

Coogs 04-18-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10570953)
This is the biggest complaint though. We took a guy first overall who wasn't physically able to play at a high level. If it were just a technique thing, you could more easily move past it and look easier.

I think he's got high upside and I'm glad they took him over the others, but there are some pretty big question marks there.

I could be wrong, but didn't Dorsey and Reid both say Joekel was more NFL ready but Fisher had the higher ceiling in the long run?

O.city 04-18-2014 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 10570962)
I could be wrong, but didn't Dorsey and Reid both say Joekel was more NFL ready but Fisher had the higher ceiling in the long run?

Yeah.

But I'd imagine he was a little less physical than they thought.

Essentially, we drafted a guy first overall who we hope becomes a good player after spending a year in the weight room. That's not very impressive

Coogs 04-18-2014 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10570971)
Yeah.

But I'd imagine he was a little less physical than they thought.

Essentially, we drafted a guy first overall who we hope becomes a good player after spending a year in the weight room. That's not very impressive

:shrug:

He does need to shine this season though! If not, then I agree.

MatriculatingHank 04-21-2014 12:30 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...ntry-1.1762830

All the potential WRs that the Chiefs should look at are mentioned here:


USC wide receiver Marqise Lee visiting Jets Sunday and Monday


The Jets will begin a busy week of pre-draft visits by hosting a few of the top wide receivers that could be available when the Jets select at No. 18 next month.
The Daily News has learned that USC’s Marqise Lee will be visiting the Jets Sunday night and Monday.
The News reported last month that high-level Jets personnel held private meetings with Lee before and after his Pro Day in Los Angeles. Lee won the 2012 Biletnikoff Award with a breakout season (1,721 yards, 14 TDs) as a junior before nagging leg injuries led to 791 yards and 4 TDs last season. The 6-0, 195-pound Lee has the run-after-the catch skill set to help replace the void left by Santonio Holmes’ departure.
The News has learned that the Jets will also host other targets this week with the hope of landing a cornerstone player that can be a true No. 1 threat in the league. LSU’s Odell Beckham, Jr., will be visiting Monday night and Tuesday. Oregon State’s Brandin Cooks is also scheduled to come to Florham Park this week.
Texas A&M wideout Mike Evans, regarded as the second best player at his position in the draft, is also visiting Monday. The Jets, however, would have to trade up to have a realistic chance at drafting Evans, who is expected to be a Top 10 pick.
Beckham’s college teammate Jarvis Landry, who is on the Jets’ radar as a possible pick in a later round, is visiting on Monday. Texas Tech tight end Jace Amaro is also slated to come to town this week.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/jet...#ixzz2zXy3JDe5

saphojunkie 04-21-2014 01:19 PM

At this point, I really only have three names I want at WR in the first round...

Watkins, Evans, and Matthews. Maaaaaybe Beckham, but I'm starting to think size is more of an issue than I want it to be.

Saccopoo 04-21-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10576099)
At this point, I really only have three names I want at WR in the first round...

Watkins, Evans, and Matthews. Maaaaaybe Beckham, but I'm starting to think size is more of an issue than I want it to be.

Beckham's size, or your perceived lack of size with him, isn't an issue. He's got crazy long arms, hands the size of dinner plates and he can jump tall buildings in a single bound.

He's 5'11", 198 lbs., and looks to have plenty of room on his frame.

And he's absolutely sick in terms of route running, high pointing the ball and having pogo sticks for legs to go along with breakaway speed.

That being said, he'll most likely be long gone by the time the Chiefs pick.

However, if you don't think he's the shit after checking out his instagram site, then there may be no hope for you...

http://instagram.com/iam_obj3

I want this dude on the Chiefs something fierce.

RunKC 04-22-2014 06:55 PM

I really like Jared Abbrederis, but **** idk if I would touch this kid until the 4th round.

3 or 4 concussions and a slender frame? That doesn't sound good for a slow white boy, along with only 4 reps on the bench.


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