Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12376175)

What a stupid thing to say. There's no way of knowing that whatsoever. In fact, I'd imagine it's quite the opposite. Guys who a turnover machines usually don't change much. What happens when a QB who struggles with pressure no longer has a great OL? If Carr is a turnover machine now, he'll be ****ed when the Raiders have to pay him Mack and Cooper and can't just go get the top FA OL every other year.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12376175)

What a stupid thing to say. There's no way of knowing that whatsoever. In fact, I'd imagine it's quite the opposite. Guys who can't defend the run or beat starting OT's with multiple moves don't change much. What happens when an OLB who struggles with stopping the run or using a 2nd move no longer have production? If Ford is a terrible run defender and can't get pressure on good OT's now, he could be ****ed when the Chiefs have to cut him and the Chiefs can't just go get the top pass rusher in FA to replace him bc they are never available.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12376110)

I am aware.

Just saying I disagreed with his assessment and cited my reasoning as to why.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12376186)

You should read this edited version.

You always say Ford will get better with no evidence but Carr won't?

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12376136)

You can still score without turning the ball over, hence why our ball control offense was still top 10 in ppg, while the Raiders were 17th.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12376198)

I've never said anything definitively about Ford. I'm sorry that I'm not an impatient whiny bitch about Ford like you and want to give him more than a half a season worth of starts before I give up on him.

I'm not saying that there's no hope for Carr. I'm saying we don't know whether the turnovers will decrease, just like I'm not aware if Ford will improve.

We literally just went through this shit less that a year ago with Fisher and look at where we are at now.

Originally Posted by NWTF (Post 12376124)

I think he means the rate. I could be wrong.

IE if a QB passes for 35TDs you could/should expect him to have more picks than a QB that passed for 17TDs. Obviously the elite of the elite are the exception.

Generally to get high TDs you have to gamble and take risks to get some of those, and with those risks come more INTs. A lot of the offensive approach has to do with the strengths and weaknesses of the overall team.

Like Andrew Luck. He gets a lot of flack for his INTs but his D sucks so he has to make more drives count then say an Alex Smith or whoever the Broncos QB is this year, who can take a more cautious approach and pick and choose their battles knowing they have the lead, let the D do their thing, and maybe the next possession will be more favorable.

Andy Reid doesnt need Smith taking unnecessary risks when hes got a strong running game and defense thats the safer way to dictate the pace of the game more often than not. The colts dont have that luxury most of the time so turning Luck into a game manager isnt going to produce better results in the W L column. Still, QBs on teams that ask more of them still have to perform up to the level that is expected, so when they dont they still deserve a lot of the blame. Either their cut out to be a gunslinger or not. Failed gunslingers sometimes find success as game managers on well balanced teams later in their careers.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12376206)

Carr has an overwhelmingly higher potential at this point. He's got the most TD's of any QB in their first 2 years and has actually done something. Ford got 3 sacks on a backup OT.

Ford has been in the NFL for 3 years now and he can't make a basic read on a run play to keep contain.

Carr is by far a better player than Ford right now and it's not even close.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12376221)

He's off to a really bad start for a 3rd year player staylor. Even Andy agreed by subtling saying he played like shit last weekend.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12376136)

You can still score without turning the ball over, hence why our ball control offense was still top 10 in ppg, while the Raiders were 17th.

Originally Posted by Smellway (Post 12376248)

That's mostly due to our defense and special teams setting the offense up with favorable field position.

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe (Post 12376263)

Of course it's also easier to set the offense up with good field position when the offense is punting & giving the defense a long field to defend.

Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12375658)

Again. This defense was NOT elite when Alex Smith got here. Go back and look. I was laughed at and mocked by suggesting Alex Smith helps the defense. Whether you like him or not, Alex's ability to control the game and not turn the ball over helps the Chiefs defense. Just facts.


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