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Hoopsdoc 01-08-2018 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ShiftyEyedWaterboy (Post 13342104)
A lot of historians think Japan would’ve surrendered quickly after the Soviets got involved. We’ll never know. Assuming that’s not the case, though, the bombs might’ve saved 1-2 million lives.

I don’t buy it. The Japanese were FANATICS when it came to their homeland and their emperor. They would have fought to the death against ANYONE.

The allies had to agree not to remove Hirohito as a condition of Japans surrender, which still puzzles me. The dude should have been tried for war crimes.

ShiftyEyedWaterboy 01-08-2018 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 13347343)
I don’t buy it. The Japanese were FANATICS when it came to their homeland and their emperor. They would have fought to the death against ANYONE.

The allies had to agree not to remove Hirohito as a condition of Japans surrender, which still puzzles me. The dude should have been tried for war crimes.

I'm not an expert on the Pacific theatre but my understanding is that at that point in the war Japanese high command was under no illusions about their chances. Their idea was to make a US invasion of the mainland sound so unpalatable to the US that they could negotiate favorable terms with the help of the Soviets (who had been neutral in the Pacific). After Stalin, who wanted more influence in the Pacific, declared war and the Red Army invaded Manchuria that went out the window. Couple that with the bomb and I'm sure both played a big role.

I've always heard that Hirohito was largely a puppet of the military but you're right about a lot of Japanese war criminals getting off.

notorious 01-09-2018 09:56 PM

Don't ever **** with the Russians. They don't give a shit. The war will either end in your annihilation or every last one of them will die trying to kill you.

srvy 01-10-2018 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13350830)
Don't ever **** with the Russians. They don't give a shit. The war will either end in your annihilation or every last one of them will die trying to kill you.

Didnt seem to be the case in Afghanistan.

Buehler445 01-11-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13353085)
Didnt seem to be the case in Afghanistan.

The Afghanis didn't invade Russia.

notorious 01-12-2018 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13353395)
The Afghanis didn't invade Russia.

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GloucesterChief 01-12-2018 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 13353085)
Didnt seem to be the case in Afghanistan.

Or Finland. They did take the richest part of Finland, Karelia, and managed to run it into the ground so fast that Finland doesn't want it back. They however failed to take the rest of the country.

Hammock Parties 11-23-2023 11:36 PM

Finally saw this. Phew. Powerful stuff. I was brought to tears twice.

Hammock Parties 11-23-2023 11:38 PM

I was texting dad during this and out of the blue he tells me our scottish godparents gave tea and toast to the brits getting off the civilian ships after the evacuation.

Where the hell was that story 30 years ago? LMAO


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