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TribalElder 08-05-2019 08:59 AM
Dee Ford is probably still lined up offsides

**** that guy

duncan_idaho 08-05-2019 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14379563)
Ford got 20.5 gtd.



That's a bit different than Clark.



I doubt he'd have taken that deal here, but it's not that small

In terms of yearly AAV is what I was referencing.

The structures work out more differently than. I was thinking. I had 5/95 in my head for ford’s potential overall payday when it’s 5/85.

Clark, as structured, actually saves them $8 million against the cap this season.

He’s 6-6.5 more the next two years, before the window to cut him opens.

They both can be walked away from after their age 29 seasons.

Sassy Squatch 08-05-2019 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14379575)
Awful.

Dee Ford is injured garbage.
It's more to do with pick #29 that we gave up.

staylor26 08-05-2019 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14379584)
It's more to do with pick #29 that we gave up.
Very slim chance that pick has even remotely close to the immediate impact Clark does. The time is now.

Sassy Squatch 08-05-2019 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14379593)
Very slim chance that pick has even remotely close to the immediate impact Clark does. The time is now.
Considering it would've almost certainly used to take the top CB on our board and how bad the CB group looks this year I think the pick would've helped.

Not to mention both of our starting CBs are most likely gone after this season when there's no cap room left to sign them.

O.city 08-05-2019 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14379558)
The salary cost between the two players is fairly small. Ford’s contract is structured to be easier to get away from, but I’m not convinced he would taken the same deal from KC.

The draft capital cost is not negligible, but they did manage to upgrade their 2019 #3, and will still have the 49ers #2 for 2020.

Clark is going to add a big edge/attitude to this squad, which it needed. The Chiefs will still have a second round pick as a result of the two moves and it will in all likelihood be the higher of the two.

End of the day, the ledger is:

+ Frank Clark
+ 8 spots in 2019 3rd round
+ 20 spots in 2020 second round

- Dee Ford
- 2-3 million AAV, flexibility to cut player at no cost
- 2019 #30
- 2019 #6x
The money you paid Clark has to factor in the value you missed out on by giving away the first as well.

It was a big package for Clark. It needs to work.

notorious 08-05-2019 09:19 AM
Do I want to pay a little less for a Ferrari that’s always broken down or more for a Mack truck that’s going to get work done?

staylor26 08-05-2019 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14379597)
Considering it would've almost certainly used to take the top CB on our board and how bad the CB group looks this year I think the pick would've helped.
No you hope it would have.

The two corners we were looking at slipped into the 2nd round in a weak draft. LJ Collier went at pick 29, a guy most felt was a late 2nd at best, went 29th. That should tell you all you need to know of the value there.

O.city 08-05-2019 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14379580)
In terms of yearly AAV is what I was referencing.

The structures work out more differently than. I was thinking. I had 5/95 in my head for ford’s potential overall payday when it’s 5/85.

Clark, as structured, actually saves them $8 million against the cap this season.

He’s 6-6.5 more the next two years, before the window to cut him opens.

They both can be walked away from after their age 29 seasons.
https://overthecap.com/player/frank-clark/3911/

Not really getting away from Clark until the age 30 year it looks like.

duncan_idaho 08-05-2019 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 14379597)
Considering it would've almost certainly used to take the top CB on our board and how bad the CB group looks this year I think the pick would've helped.

Not as much as having a legitimate DE who can be the centerpiece of the pressure scheme.

DeAndre Baker, Rock Ya Sin, etc. are not immediate impact CBs. And even if they were, if you aren’t pressuring the QB even good CBS will look awful.

O.city 08-05-2019 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14379619)
No you hope it would have.

The two corners we were looking at slipped into the 2nd round in a weak draft. LJ Collier went at pick 29, a guy most felt was a late 2nd at best, went 29th. That should tell you all you need to know of the value there.
With the info we've heard from Veach, I'm pretty sure CB was gonna be the pick at 29.

I'd rather have a pass rusher but you've gotta factor in the money and other value stuff.

They really need one of these developmental CB's to hit and get some value there.

O.city 08-05-2019 09:25 AM
For the price they are paying for Clark, you need him to be the 2nd best defender in the league.

That's a pretty tall task

staylor26 08-05-2019 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14379625)
With the info we've heard from Veach, I'm pretty sure CB was gonna be the pick at 29.

I'd rather have a pass rusher but you've gotta factor in the money and other value stuff.

They really need one of these developmental CB's to hit and get some value there.
Oh I know it would’ve been Ya-Sin or Murphy, but those guys slipping to the 2nd while Collier went 29th means those guys likely were not 1st round talents, and that makes it all the more unlikely we would’ve gotten an immediate impact.

duncan_idaho 08-05-2019 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14379620)
https://overthecap.com/player/frank-clark/3911/



Not really getting away from Clark until the age 30 year it looks like.

The cap savings become a net positive before his age 29 year. Eating $10 million of dead cap isn’t ideal, but if he has gotten hurt or fallen way off the cliff it could be done.

GloryDayz 08-05-2019 09:28 AM
When is CP going to turn "Dee Ford" into this -> Raiduhs


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