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Chris Meck 02-21-2019 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14118482)
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Building off my report earlier, here&#39;s why it&#39;s unlikely the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> retain Justin Houston in 2019. <a href="https://t.co/htwTI1JBvs">https://t.co/htwTI1JBvs</a></p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1098723832049926146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Yeah, or you can also look at it like this-

Keeping Houston at $21 and trading Ford's $16 m leaves you at -$5 net.
Cutting Houston leaves $8 in dead money, and keeping Ford will cost you $16 m. = -$24 million net.

Right?

Chris Meck 02-21-2019 05:55 PM
holy shit, is that right?

It's literally cheaper to keep Houston than Ford. I hadn't looked at it from that angle.

$21 million to keep Houston
$24 million give or take to cut him and keep Ford.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2019 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14118500)
holy shit, is that right?

It's literally cheaper to keep Houston than Ford. I hadn't looked at it from that angle.

$21 million to keep Houston
$24 million give or take to cut him and keep Ford.
Hope springs eternal?

Chris Meck 02-21-2019 06:03 PM
well, I mean unless i'm missing something.


Wow. Yeah. When you look at it like that, I'm tagging and trading Ford ASAP. Best pass rusher on the market, you're gonna get a nice pick out of that.

Play Houston one more year, draft his replacement with the Ford pick and get on with your life.

TwistedChief 02-21-2019 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 14118477)
I would MUCH rather keep him over Ford, that's for damn sure

We need complete, tough football players, not oft injured one trick ponies... Houston may be aging, but he is the more well rounded player by a country mile
I知 in the minority that badly wants to keep them both. Houston was a beast in all aspects of the game when he was healthy last year. Ford was one of the top 5 pass rushers in the league but without Houston they値l double him and he値l likely fade into being a good but not great OLB.

R Clark 02-21-2019 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14118196)
If you want to trade someone, it has to be Ford. Nobody is going to trade for Houston at his salary.

Houston doesn't want to take a pay cut so they're going to be forced to cut him.
So when did this come out? Guess I missed him saying he wouldn稚 restructure.

Chris Meck 02-21-2019 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 14118539)
I知 in the minority that badly wants to keep them both. Houston was a beast in all aspects of the game when he was healthy last year. Ford was one of the top 5 pass rushers in the league but without Houston they値l double him and he値l likely fade into being a good but not great OLB.
You literally can't.

R Clark 02-21-2019 06:20 PM
Didn’t read whole thread my bad lol

Chris Meck 02-21-2019 06:28 PM
I think we've been looking at this all wrong.
Of course the tag for Ford was coming; right move no matter what.

I don't think they keep Ford. He's literally more expensive. I think the plan IS and has always been to trade him on the tag and keep Houston.

It's literally cheaper and he's the better all-around player.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2019 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14118514)
well, I mean unless i'm missing something.


Wow. Yeah. When you look at it like that, I'm tagging and trading Ford ASAP. Best pass rusher on the market, you're gonna get a nice pick out of that.

Play Houston one more year, draft his replacement with the Ford pick and get on with your life.
Not only that, but Ford's stock isn't going any higher. You know it, I know it. What do we do when the stock is high on a player that could easily break with a cool breeze in the trees?

Chris Meck 02-21-2019 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 14118563)
Not only that, but Ford's stock isn't going any higher. You know it, I know it. What do we do when the stock is high on a player that could easily break with a cool breeze in the trees?
I actually feel stupid for not realizing this sooner.

It's literally cheaper to keep the better all around player; and you'll pick up a high pick too.

I mean it's kind of a no-brainer.

You draft a DE with the Ford pick and then next year you can cut Houston with only $1.5 m dead cap.

There's no ****ing way that's not the plan.

Either way it goes you're going to get at least a #2 for Ford. You'll have 4 picks in the first two rounds. Even if you stand pat, you can get a CB, a S, and a DE in that first 64 picks.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2019 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 14118566)
I actually feel stupid for not realizing this sooner.

It's literally cheaper to keep the better all around player; and you'll pick up a high pick too.

I mean it's kind of a no-brainer.

You draft a DE with the Ford pick and then next year you can cut Houston with only $1.5 m dead cap.

There's no ****ing way that's not the plan.

Either way it goes you're going to get at least a #2 for Ford. You'll have 4 picks in the first two rounds. Even if you stand pat, you can get a CB, a S, and a DE in that first 64 picks.

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BossChief 02-21-2019 10:35 PM
A team trading for Houston would be getting him with no guaranteed money and 2years for about 31m.

A team trading for Ford would be getting him on a 1 year deal for about 16.

When you trade for a player, you only owe the base salary, the trading team is on the hook for the prorated portion of what’s already been paid in a bonus.

Iconic 02-21-2019 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14118482)
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Building off my report earlier, here&#39;s why it&#39;s unlikely the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> retain Justin Houston in 2019. <a href="https://t.co/htwTI1JBvs">https://t.co/htwTI1JBvs</a></p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1098723832049926146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Damn. I was hoping they planned to tag and trade Ford but guess not. If this is the route they are taking they need to find a way to release Berry regardless of the cap hit. Just start fresh.

CoMoChief 02-21-2019 10:49 PM
Pay 'em both.

Hell the Broncos manipulated and paid players under the table for years.

Why doesn't Clark just say "Hey take a paycut to help our books, and I'll make up the difference under the table off record"

Problem solved. If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin.


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