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Frank Clark to KC! (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=322491)

Like: Clark is a lot better all-around player than Dee Ford and is younger.

Don’t like: turning Dee Ford and a first-round pick into Frank Clark and a better third-round pick. That price is a bit high.

Hate: Adding another domestic violence guy to the team. I know the Michigan stuff is in the past and he wasn’t charged and she hit him first and all of that, but that’s an awfully big risk to take on while the Tyreek Hill stuff is ongoing.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221454)

I swear sometimes this fan base is allergic to good players.

I watched this place, all offseason, celebrate the signing of replacement level players.

Like i said, good players cost assets. That's just the way it is. Want a stud? You have to pay for it.

They got a stud. Fantastic.

And they still have two 2nd's and a 3rd to wheel and deal, move around if they need to to acquire someone to improve the back end.

I don't like giving up the 1st but w/e.

Yea apparently its better to have some cheap jags.

Regardless of compensation, Jones and Clark are going to rape faces

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14221456)

It's not enough to live up to the $20m contract.

He now has to be better than if we traded up for a top 20 pick + the $20m we could have spent on other players.

That is one hell of an expectation.

WHO

WHO THE **** ARE THESE MAGICAL FREE AGENTS EVERYONE PRETENDS ARE FLOODING THE MARKET

If we spent that $20M on free agents, guess what? You'd be bitching that we spent that money when it could have been spent on free agents.

THIS IS WHAT SPENDING MONEY LOOKS LIKE.

god, this line of thinking is so ****ing irrational.

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 14221442)

You are completely ignoring opportunity cost. We lost the ability to draft cheap talent at #29 that gives us a 5th year option. We lost an additional 2020 round pick that had value both this year for a trade up and next year as a pick. We lost cap flexibility. And lastly, we also most likely lost one of four players that need to be resigned in the coming two years.

We lost more than we gained. It's a bad trade no matter what you guys want to make yourselves believe. If your plan is to run a franchise for one season it's wonderful, but long term it was stupid as **** and very short sighted.

Are you ****ing high? I mean, seriously. Crack is whack.

You really think a #29 pick was going to produce like Frank Clark over the next few seasons-especially 2019? And 2020? and 2021? Incredibly unlikely. The REASON you want cap flexibility is for the ability to...well, do things like this-get a proven playmaker, young, in his prime, no injury history. We can frontload Clark's deal some and spread it out. It's a smart move. AND he's 25 ****ing years old. He's just in his prime years.

We gave up a late #2. We gained 10 spots in the 3rd this year.

Clark and Jones are going to wreck offensive lines for the next several years. This defense just took a MAJOR step forward.

You guys are nuts.

I have off the field concerns with Clark, but as a player, this is a MAJOR, HUGE talent increase.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14221463)

**** this trade

He would need to be a perennial all pro for us to get a ROI

Or just a pressure or two in the AFC Championship game, perhaps.

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14221438)

The worst part about this is have we really improved as a defense all that much? If we're doing a scheme transition, and if that causes confusion problems in the first year for many of the players, what's the point of moving heaven and earth to get a guy right now to fill a hole?

Why don't we ****ing draft somebody and let them develop while the other guys on defense make the transition?

For ****'s sake. The defense is going to suck. With or without Clark. It's still going to ****ing suck this year.

Clark is there... we suck. We draft some guys... we suck. The difference is in one situation we get the benefit of cheap players 3-4 years down the line in the initial stages of the Mahomes extension. In the other situation we're paying $20 million each year to one guy over the course of that time.

I'm pretty pissed. We eventually have to stop this revolving door of GMs, but at this point I really ****ing hate Veach. He's goddamn clueless.

Carl, Pioli, and even Dorsey to some extent at least were able to put up the veil of walking away from a deal. They weren't afraid of inaction, because inaction is the only goddamn bargaining chip a team often has. Veach has none of that. "Buy low, sell high" means nothing to this loser. For as vocal as he is about certain players, he clearly doesn't trust his own ability to navigate a draft board or trust his scouting when Plan A doesn't go the way he planned.

He's horrible. He might be the weakest GM we've had since before Carl.

Other GMs clearly have him pegged as the douche who will give you anything you want.

Good God dude take a lap. You are way overreacting to this. This trade is not as terrible as you are making it.

Some of you are just complete morons.

If nothing else, take solace in the fact that this should mean Hill is in the clear.

**** this trade

He would need to be a perennial all pro for us to get a ROI

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 14221452)

What DE was gonna be there at 29?

Also in case you missed it, the Chiefs have cap room they just got rid of Houston and Berry.

Also all of that shit doesn't matter cause in 2 years the cap will look vastly different after the lockout/strike.

For what we gave up we could have easily used that to move into the top 20 maybe even top 15. And by doing that you add a high potential player and still have $20-25m to spend.

A new and improved #55 for the Chiefs. I pretty sure FC knows how to line up onside.

Phyllis Rivers and Joe Flacco might as well start shopping for coffins.

I have to face facts:

Our GM is a ****ing schlub who gets walked on and ****ed like a little bitch. And I can guarantee you his picks are going to ****ing suck too.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 14221423)

The issue is what we got for Ford, not what we spent for Clark.

I don't like the 1st round pick being gone either, but the Chiefs landed a premier player.

All of a sudden that Dline is a unit of strength, just like that.

We need playmakers and we don't have 2-3 years to wait for a rookie Edge rusher to grow up.

The question is this.

Is Clark so much better than Ford, or did Veach get fleaced on both deals?

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14221471)

100% this.