Well Chris Jones barely gives you solid production much less elite production so there's a tad bit difference between him and Tyreek.

And how is keeping hill mean treading water? Does that apply to Kelce too? Or Mahomes? That literally makes no sense.

They lost a Superbowl because Eric Fisher got injured the previous game and the O-line was a ****ing mess and because Patrick Mahomes literally forgot how to play football in a half and the defense couldn't pressure the worst line in football. How does that equal Tyreek being a reason this team is "treading water"?

Yep. i'm done.

This is all kinda selective memory.

We had a dominant record in 2020 but we were hardly a dominant team. Our margin of victory in the latter part of the season was infinitesimally small yet we found ways to win. Great team or great luck? In 2021, we had major pockets of inconsistency on both sides of the ball at various points throughout the season. Half the people here didn't think we'd win the AFC West in late October and that didn't seem far-fetched. We nearly lost to the Bills in a game that would've dramatically changed the narrative about just how close we were.

The Raiders got Jones and Adams. The Chargers got Jackson and Mack amongst others. The Broncos got Wilson and Gregory.

Even if we were able to keep the same team from the prior year - which we couldn't due because of cap limitations - we would've been treading water in a division and conference which was going all in.

We weren't good enough. Not deep enough, too many weak spots, too many underperforming players on big contracts (not Tyreek) and too many scrubs playing too many minutes.

With the Tyreek haul of draft picks and the cap space, we might get as many as...what...6 or 7 good players? if Veach hits on his draft percentage from last year, plus a couple or three FA's? That's a huge influx of talent.

This TEAM needs to be better. This is a great way to remake your roster in a meaningful and FAST way. Sorry to see him go, but it allows a rebuild on the fly.

Why did you have none of these thoughts until AFTER he was traded?

Someone wrote a long post about why he should be traded including the financial reasons and your response was an adamant
What changed? Break out the calculator again?

Good thing we cut the underperforming player then...


And trading 28 (as if 3 weeks ago) superstars isn't rebuilding on the fly. Do you guys think he was going to fall off in 3 years or something?

Everything I've posted since details my stance. But I'll put it here, in one post for you, and then I'm done talking about it, as it's a waste of time. What's done is done, and complaining ad nauseum about it is stupid.

I was against trading Hill. What? Why would you trade your second best player!? Hell no.

And yet they did. So I looked closer.

This team was in clear decline. Play-off caliber still, but the last two years showed it was not good enough. The other teams in the AFC were loading up with WR and Edge talent to beat KC. Even Denver would have a legit QB now. Cinci was attacking their OL situation; and we couldn't beat them in two tries as is. Raiders added Adams. Bills added Miller. Chargers loading up, too. All of these teams, going all in, to beat KC.

Could we pay Hill the top WR money and still keep him? Yeah, we could. Could we do that and add to the roster enough to stay/get ahead of these other contenders? No, probably not, but definitely not without pushing a lot of money forward. Thing about that is, the bill always comes due. So in a couple of seasons, With Mahomes at around 28 years old, we'd have to gut it all.

OR-what Veach did was just rip the band-aid off now. This team had shown it wasn't good enough as is for two seasons. We got spanked in that Super Bowl, and this past season Cinci beat us twice in what, 4 weeks? That's not good enough. And they're going to get better, along with The Bills, The Chargers, The Donkeys and even the damned Raiders.

So we could roll on for a couple of years, not getting significantly better, not able to make big changes, just maintaining status quo (treading water) with diminishing returns; and have to cut or trade guys like Hill in a couple of years, getting less or nothing in return for them.

OR what Veach did-sell high. Remake your roster on the fly FAST with 8 picks in the first four rounds, an influx of cap dollars not allocated to Hill, and try and get the team OVERALL in a better spot, with a healthier cap situation so that we can continue to contend even in the ridiculously loaded AFC.

No, I didn't want to trade Hill. I'm sure Veach didn't want to either. In hindsight, once I got over the shock, I understood. I get it. Too many holes, not enough talent, not enough cap dollars to spread it around without ****ing the future which you don't want to do with a 26 year old elite QB in the saddle. Moving Hill makes that possible. This is playing the long game. This is how you keep the SB window open for a decade or more.

So we won't have Hill, but the last two SB winners haven't had Tyreek Hill either, so it's not like it can't be done.

I was against it. Once it was done, I considered WHY and what the return was. And I embrace it. We weren't good enough the last two years. This is what The Patriots did for two decades of dominance. Sell high. Draft well. Build every year's team around your HOF QB and roll on.

You want to whine about it, whine on. It's pointless. It's done. What Veach and Andy do in this draft will mean everything going forward. Will we be The Patriots of 2000-2018? Or will we be Seattle?

I'm betting on Veach, Reid, and Mahomes.

It will be different going forward, but I think it can be BETTER overall.

Oh, so you really did crunch the numbers again LMAO

I voted to keep Tyreek but for me what changed is the overall view of the roster and how limited they were in FA.

We keep Tyreek then we pretty much have no money and our defense looks like it did under Bob Sutton again talent wise with nothing Spags can do. The draft picks and free’d up money will certainly help the roster overall.

We shot our shot for a run and did well. Now time to reload.

Well, sure if you want to say it concisely.
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Among other considerations, yeah. If that's the only part of it you understand, that's fine with me.

It sucks trading away players of Tyreek's caliber. I hate it.

But numbers wise, I'm just whatever with it. At some point, if he wanted to stay he could have taken a little less. I wouldn't so I don't begrudge him at all for it.

It is what it is.

Yep. And all the pearl clutching in the world won't change it. The only thing worth talking about is what to do moving forward.

But a Tyreek extension would have freed up money too.

What's all this revisionist history that his extension would have somehow broke us? Would we not have still afforded Reid and Juju?

And it's not like we're using the money anyway...

If this were the NBA, of course you'd keep Tyreek over drafting several players.

However, there's 22 starters in the NFL. You can't afford to have many JAGs in the lineup. If your QB is a stud, he doesn't necessarily need Pro Bowl receivers at every position. Just get him a better defense. That's something he can't control.