I mostly agree man and good post. The grades will change on a lot of players before the draft. They always do. The grades almost ALWAYS change after the draft unless you are like Von Miller good. Some guys are better than their initial grade and some guys are worse.

I know teams will reach on QBs more than ever but, there is a cut off point in which they will do so. You can bet your ass they already have a system in place for that very thing and it is accounted for on their draft board. Whether a QB is a ten pick bump after grade, a twenty pick bump, or no bump at all, I don't know?

that's all got to do with how the Chiefs view BPA and like I said yesterday, teams do that differently. There is no specific formulafor all 32 teams like some like to think.

We all have our opinions and predictions but the bottom line is that we can't predict the future and we don't know the Chiefs ranking system. We just have to hope the Chiefs scouts are seeing the right things and look at for ourselves until the draft. Post what you see and read and write it here. Have fun with it.

He had a separated shoulder with no tear. The only concern is how much it hurts.

:thumb:
This n00b has to be in the running for n00b of the year already.

But, but, but the mean ole M.O.B. scare away all the n00b

Barkley would be a good pick, but I don't think he is top 5 good. The value just isn't there. Prime candidate to move down to 10 or so. If he is there great, if not, Star or someone else we need.

Star is gonna go in the 2nd round. Didn't go to the Senior Bowl. Afraid of competition, has hidden flaws he didn't want exposed...

Take at 10, but not at 5. Dumbest "logic" EVER. He's either a potential franchise QB worth taking or you don't take at all.

ROFL

YAY FOR VALUE!!! WoOOOOOO

I got $45 in my pocket but I'm gonna skip the porterhouse and get a Big Mac.

Yeah me! I'm smarter than everyone!

Value is how franchises are built, mortgaging the farm for one player is how the Rickey Williams Saints were built. If we play it safe and make incremental improvements, and draft QBS every year in the mid rounds, we will hit on one and be fine. And maintain a high standard on the roster as well, because value earns you the most, as opposed to continually buying lottery tickets and hoping

Obviously he won't be going in the top 5, but there are too many teams that need QBs in the first round, and teams always reach for the most important position in football.

If it's okay for the Chiefs to take Geno/Wilson #1 overall, I can't imagine complaints if the Cardinals or Bills took Barkley. Barkley is still head and shoulders above anyone at the senior bowl excluding Wilson.

ROFL

Has anybody even REMOTELY suggested we should do that?

:facepalm:

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He needs a bottle of Jack.

And a neckbeard.

:D

ROFL

I looked at Barkley's stats assuming to see a huge drop off from last year, and I didn't. In fact, his YPA were up significantly from 2011. Sure, he had more interceptions, but how is this guying falling from the sure-fire #1 pick in the entire draft to the third round, or some such BS? I'm guessing this guy will get serious consideration from us to be the #1 pick, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was.

USC. Basically.

Plus they sucked this season. After losing to Stanford again and losing the #1 it seemed like most of the team stopped caring about winning.

Stats can always be padded. Supposedly he didn't look as confident in the face of pressure, couldn't really drive the ball and made more bad decisions.

I watched every USC game. And I never saw him not look confident in the face of pressure. The dude got rocked a lot this season also.And your "drive the ball" comment is a year late, because that was his problem last year.

The guy may not elite arm strength, but I find it difficult to believe it got weaker in 2012.

He did injure his throwing shoulder that kept him out of the USC's bowl game

Last 4 drafted USC quarterbacks:
Carson Palmer (average), MATT CASSEL(poor), Matt Leihhart(poor), Mark Sanchez (poor). No thanks... poor conference, spoiled Southern California boys... No way.

Poor conference?

LMAO

That's a dumb ****ing comment.

Leinart and Sanchez were ****ing lazy and cared more about California poon, Cassel just sucked and Palmer was a good QB on a shitty team until his leg got ****ed up.

Barkely is better and more prepared then all of these QB's combined.

ABG

Compared to the SEC.... poor conference

What do you have to say about the last 4 QBs coming out of USC? moron

i think barkley may be my #2 again....

Lot of paralysis by analysis with this guy. He's legit and a lock to go top 10, IMO.

And the consistent USC busts have no impact on you?

why would they?

there's no logic to that...so the obvious answer is 'no'

Leinart would rather **** Paris Hilton than play football. Cassel didn't even play at USC. Palmer was an ascending player until his knee was blown up like C3PO in Empire (Clay whacks).

There hasn't exactly been a big sample size.

And I would argue that the last two years for Barkley have been much better than any years those guys had at USC.

Well, I thought that the logic speaks for itself.... FOUR BUSTS IN A ROW!... FOUR over promoted, laid back, fair weather surfer dudes because somewhere USC got the NFL Quarterback machine reputation... but they haven't made the NFL transition well.... no thanks. But to each their own. I just hope you don't have any influence with Andy

Cassell didn't play, and Palmer was on his way to having a great career before injury.

And Barkley was better than any of those four guys in college.

JFC, you're truly ****ing dumb.

players don't fail because of the school they attend, they fail as a result of their own talent level and commitment...

and if you aren't evaluating players as individuals, then you're going to miss on a great player eventually....

This I will agree with.... I do like Palmer.

1 OT Luke Joeckel Texas A&M Jr. 6-6 310
Quarterback is clearly the crying need in K.C., but there's not an Andrew Luck or RGIII in sight atop this year's board. Maybe a passer gets pushed up into this spot at some point, but for now the value of the slot says you take the franchise left tackle in the first round and then try to pick off a quarterback to start the second round. Everybody knows Andy Reid likes to build his roster from the lines out, and with Chiefs left tackle Branden Albert eligible for free agency, Joeckel is the logical replacement.

4 QB Geno Smith West Virginia Sr. 6-3 220
This is where the real guess-work begins, because so much depends on whether new Eagles coach Chip Kelly believes he currently has his starting quarterback on the roster or not. Smith's talents aren't a perfect mesh for Kelly's up-tempo offense, but he's got enough mobility to get the job done, and his pocket-passing skills are NFL ready. We know quarterbacks get pushed up by need, but the Eagles defense needs so much help that Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner could be tough to pass on.


7 QB Matt Barkley USC Sr. 6-2 230
The Cardinals have other options to fix their quarterback issues, perhaps by trading for Alex Smith or Matt Flynn. But if their division rivals in San Francisco or Seattle won't play ball with them, the Cardinals might talk themselves into Barkley, who was presumed to be a slam-dunk top five pick in 2012, had he not opted to return to USC for what proved to be a damaging senior season. Some don't consider Barkley a first-round talent any more, but let's see what happens once the NFL digs into his tape.


8 QB Mike Glennon N.C. State Sr. 6-6 220
This pick doesn't reflect where Glennon's stock stands today, but where I think it's headed. Granted, Buffalo's need at quarterback is driving this projection of Glennon cracking the top 10. If the Bills don't find him intriguing, he very well may not make the first round. New Bills head coach Doug Marrone probably loves his collegiate QB, Syracuse's Ryan Nassib, but he's more likely to earn a second-to-mid-round grade. Just got a hunch that Glennon's size and arm strength will grow on NFL personnel men as the draft approaches.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...r_a2&eref=sihp

If for some reason Albert isn't re-signed,

Then the pick HAS to be OT Luke Joeckel, and you take a QB in the second.

and suck my dick if you disagree.

I agree, LT is far more important than QB!!!1!!

So Smith isn't worth the #1 pick but he's worth the Eagles' #4, even though he doesn't fit Chip Kelly's offense?

ROFL

This stuff is priceless.

With all this franchise fan base has been thru, there are still ass holes who would rather have a franchise LT than taking a chance to developing our own franchise qb.


Completely asinine

Every time I think I might possibly see the most stupid post ever, I say to myself, that someone will top it.

Thanks for not disappointing me.

There is more than one way of looking at that though. Some would say the QB crop is MUCH better next year. I would be inclined to agree.

The question is, do we know enough about the guys coming out next year to definitively say they are better than Barkley or Geno? I'd say success wise Johnny Manziel and Tajh Boyd's success could rival Geno's, but Manziel is not ready and Tajh Boyd is very Russell Wilson-esque and wouldn't necessarily fit into Reid's system.

Teddy B would probably be a guy Reid would be very interested in but he is still very young and we need to see how he does next year.

Would you like to guess how many years that we've been told by the "Don't draft" QB crowd that the next draft is going to be better than the one right in front of us?

How many years were you told that the current QB draft class is one of the worst in a long time? Because it is.

And I feel like you ignored the part about us not knowing if the next crop are definitively better than Geno or Barkley.

I don't care about the dumbass talking heads telling us some bullshit about this being a weak class.

I have eyes, I can see and judge for myself.

I have posted the last 5 QB classes prior to last year a couple of times on this forum, and have challenged anyone to show me which of those classes was actually better.

And I didn't ignore the part about next year's class being definitively better.

That was the entire point of my post.

We have heard the same thing for years, and rarely has the next draft been definitively better.

You obviously don't realize the new CBA no longer mortgages a teams future. There is no financial risk with the high pick anymore. at least nowhere near what it used to be.

Which means you are agreeing with me, so I don't really see what you are trying to argue. I said we don't know if they are better. Which implies you don't wait to find out.

Yet another person that hasn't seen Tajh Boyd play.

He doesn't have ONE TENTH of Russell Wilson's accuracy. :facepalm:

Teddy Bridgewater is the only QB in the class even worth talking about at this point.

I was simply pointing out the number of years that we've been told on here to wait till next year.

Hopefully this is the last year we hear that about a QB for at least a decade.

Ah the infamous wait til next year. Never heard that's before.


Realizing that bridgewater had the same season geno did last year so that this time next year we will be over analyzing and being told to wait again.


So no **** that

Yeah. Can't take a QB until the Oline is perfect. In building a team in the NFL today, it's always wise to wait until the other 21 starters are good until getting a QB.

You should see the Gabbert defenders in the Jaguars fandom. They are pretty much convinced that nothing is his fault because the offensive line isn't top 10 in the league.

Same thing happened with Cassel. It really makes you ashamed to be part of the same fan base. People get so caught up in certain rules of building a team, or what is necessary to win and they forgot to actually use common sense or their eyes. Just because the Oline or WR's are struggling doesn't mean that the QB doesn't also suck. Mark Sanchez had nothing to work with this year. That doesn't excuse him from sucking.

Well I would argue that gabbert was trust IMO an awful situation. With all te Mjs problems and shit at wr, he should have been eased in

Well he was. And Gabbert is still like the 2nd youngest QB in the league and was never suppose to start his rookie year.

But the kid wasn't even that good in college. He should never have been taken as high as he was.

Good luck with that.

I'm sorry.

We've been dealing with it as Chiefs fans for 2 decades.

I hope you get your QB...

barkley stats- Statistics
Passing Rushing
Year Comp Att Yards Pct. TDs Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD
2009 211 352 2735 59.9 15 14 131.3 45 -38 -0.8 2
2010 236 377 2791 62.6 26 12 141.2 34 -17 -0.5 2
2011 308 446 3528 69.1 39 7 161.2 28 14 0.5 2
2012 246 387 3273 63.6 36 15 157.6 25 -72 -2.9 0

FYP

Why are you posting (poorly formatted) stats?

Blow for Barkley? I thought it was Blow for Geno.

No that is GENOcide.

Barkley has nothing that separates him from any other QB prospect in the draft. And I mean EVERY QB prospect, even the ones who aren't even listed. He's average and nothing more. I hope some team gives him a chance since, in all fairness, he did play for that douchnozzle Kiffin. He still sucks though. The one year they had a chance for a bowl game and they have a terrible season for all that talent on the team.

Don't forget the shitty coaching. Gabbert would've been better served coming into the league like Rodgers who got to sit a few years and hone his craft. Not saying Gabbert would be great or even good but it certainly would've helped.

TANK4GENO

Out of Sorts for Smith.

navin...son...this is shinola. THIS is shit. Etc...
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Am told USC pushing their pro-day back 2+ weeks to give Matt Barkley more time to recuperate...more tomorrow..

Wow....just wow this post is full of clueless.

He's pretty horrible.

In other news. I would love if the Jaguars could get him with the 33rd. But that isn't happening.

A lot of decisions might already be made by then...

If they have to push back is pro-day 2 weeks, it's all but guaranteed he won't be throwing at the combine.

That sucks.

I didn't expect him to throw at the combine anyways.

i hope he throws at the combine.. I hope they all throw at the combine. Barkley has the least to work on mechanically wise so i'm sure he will be fine there, but i want to see it next to the others and make sure his shoulder is ok

Well, obviously his shoulder isn't ok.

Him nor Geno will throw at the combine.