Opposed to the grandmother who witnessed the murder of her mother?

Excellent plan. I like it.

Screw Goodall.

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I agree and have seen it first hand.

that would be contrary to what Sly James (KC Mayor) says the Chiefs told him

Dude...may as well cancel the Kansas City Chiefs, hoss. There will be no recovering from this. An active player shot himself in front of the HC and GM. Aside from everything else, trying to wrap my head around THAT makes it more than surreal...

wow, how does that work? everybody would be okay with that or silently protested and half ass it?

If he wasn't sane at the time, yes.


You can't control the way your brain works if your mentally ill.

Those were my thoughts as well. Don't let Goodell be the marionette when real life things like this occur. Do whatever you have to to take that POS down a peg. I'm getting really tired of that bastard.

Did he do this in front of him?

Like that means anything...

Tragic. I as much as I dislike Pioli and Crennel I WOULD NEVER wish having to go through this on anyone. Thoughts and prayers to the Belcher family and to the Chiefs family...

Thanks. If what he is reporting is true and the players don't want to play tomorrow they should postpone the game at the very least. If the NFL forces the players to play then players should not walk out on the field tomorrow.

SaveourChiefs should adopt the child. Show their dedication and support....

Apparently in front of RAC and Pioli, yes.

So now the KC Star has on its news story that Crennel and Pioli were on the scene as well as other Chiefs staff. I can't believe that the NFL is going to go ahead with the game, but even then, I couldn't possibly imagine Crennel coaching tomorrow or anyone else who saw the incident.

I just heard about this and I don't think I can handle reading anything more after seeing those Thanksgiving photos. Awful awful awful.

At first I read that Pioli and Crennel were the "coaches" who witnessed the suicide in a comments section on KCTV5. I didn't believe it at first. That's just insane. I have to put aside all my disdain for Pioli and Crennel as professionals right now, because I can't imagine what they're going through as human beings at this time.

If the NFL isn't wanting to move the game, then I'd send the players and coaches home and tell them not to come in till Wednesday Let the NFL figure out the next step.

I agree.

I don't think this at all but lambasting this guy without any facts is pretty cold hearted. But then again, most people do not understand mental illness.

You quoted me before I got the post deleted.

I won't get into this, as I feel too strongly about it. And really, my moot opinion equals exactly dick in the grand scheme of things.

I wouldn't find it hard to believe some of the players would want to play tomorrow. But the coaching staff, I don't know... I don't know how their head could possibly be in the game tomorrow. You talk about competitive fairness and all that... I think that's a huge question mark. These guys spent four years developing the guy and to them it's probably like watching your kid throw his life away. And probably guys like Hali and DJ when too... every play they're going to look over and realize Belcher isn't there.

Most Stupid post I have ever read here..... LMAO

JFC Cant we say this about every killer?

Agreed

:rolleyes:

kinda really brings it all into perspective.

What do you mean? I'm just saying, hypothetically, if that happened at my job, we'd have to go back to work pretty soon after. Perhaps not the day AFTER exactly, but our business can't afford to be shut down for too long.

okay this made me laugh

No doubt this effectively brings SOC to a screeching halt for the rest of the season.

@KMBZnews

The NFL says the Chiefs' home game against the Carolina Panthers will go on as scheduled tomorrow.

Has this already been posted?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9Cz-4aCEAEJpKq.jpg:large

:clap: Yup

i misread your post. i thought you said you experienced going back to work the next day.

No, not really.

I would not think less of any player, coach, or management person that decided to not show up for the game tomorrow, if they are indeed forced to play.

It should redirect our priorities anyway...

Most people don't understand unless they have gone thru it or seen it first hand. I agree we have no idea what was going on in his life.

Won't speak for him, but I think the main point is that's it's probably not nearly as black & white as some are describing... hell, an article comes out that someone said they argued after a concert (at 1am), and people jump on that like it's the reason for the whole thing. I can't imagine what kind of mental state someone would have to be in to do such a thing, especially in front of their own mother, but I'm not going to simply paint the guy as some selfish douche based on the insignificant amount of information we have at this point. Of course he's not a victim, but IMO it's not exactly fair to simply judge someone in that mental state, especially if/when you've probably never been there yourself.

This is so sad on so many levels. :-(

Sounds to me like he must have been another Chiefs player then. Why go to the stadium if this is not the case?

Were are 1 and 10, in the midst of a murder/suicide. Don't reschedule, just give us our ****ing loss move us to 1 and 11. No way this team doesn't check out anyway.

NFL showing their true colors......GREEN

JFC.

This game is going to be a freaking wake.

We are gonna see players breaking down on the sideline. And fans are gonna then break down when they see the players.

JFC. I'm tearing up a little just thinking about it.


:(

That's a frightening bit of speculation...

There is a distinction between those murderers who going on a random killing spree and get caught by the cops and someone "killing in the name of love" and later committing suicide, which has revelations that the person had underlying depression and guilt involved with the murder they committed.

It does not in fact change the crime, however, but it lends a judgement towards mental illness instead of being a POS as some call it.

Goodell is a piece of trash. Hey Roger, these guys are HUMAN BEINGS, not ROBOTS!

Were are 1 and 10, in the midst of a murder/suicide. Don't reschedule, just give us our ****ing loss move us to 1 and 11. No way this team doesn't check out anyway.

Not to be too shallow or cynical after such a tragedy, but does anyone think this could all play a role in what will happen with Pioli or Crennel's job situations? I mean, I think it definitely will in the NEAR future. Don't know if it will play a part when the season is over. But obviously Hunt isn't going to fire Pioli and/or Crennel this week, if he had any plans to do so in the first place I mean.

You forget who the NFL Commish is. He's evil incarnate.

The guy snap and killed her. Pu*** does some messed up stuff to some guys.

I think the decision has already been made and this won't change it.

Sometimes it feels like the four major sports commissioners have a contest going of who can embarrass themselves, ruin their league, and piss off their customers the most.

Statement from owner Clark hunt

"The entire Chiefs family is deeply saddened by today's events, and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy, thoughts and prayers for the families and friends affected by this unthinkable tragedy. We sincerely appreciate the expressions of sympathy and support we have received from so many in the Kansas City and NFL communities, and ask for continued prayers for the loved ones of those impacted."

The short answer is no, we can't. There are mental issues which can cause someone to act - and even kill - in ways they normally wouldn't. It's extreme, obviously, but it happens. That said, and speaking generally, if someone knows they have these issues, it is their responsibility to control the situation as best they can, whether through therapy, drugs, removal from stressors, or whatever else they need to do.

Now, specifically, I can't say, of course, because I - like most of the rest of us - know a whole lot of nothing about Belcher or why he did this.

That's all I want to say, and I don't want this to become All About Mental Health, so I won't go down this rabbit hole any farther, at least not in this thread.

Clark Hunt statement

For continuity sake, don't know when it's safe to fire them, especially since they were only people to hear his last words. It's possible Pioli could "step" down and Crennel "retire" but have still been forced out.

I wonder if Pioli or Crennel even want to come back after this incident. They probably realize their employment is in extreme jeopardy any ways and you add this on top of it, would you want to come back? Bad enough to be in a organization to have this happen but to witness it is a whole another thing. They may just step down to make things easier for everyone in the end instead of having the fired label.

This is extremely unlikely.

And if you can't make the distinction that this pussy ****ed you over or made you mad, but that there are millions of other pussies available, you have an underlying mental illness. Those of us with sane minds can rationalize that easily, those who are mentally ill cannot.

Again, it does not take away the horrible nature of the crime he committed but there really should be compassion for both sides in this.

In light of everything this season has been, and hasn't been, there is no way that Clark doesn't clean house, or Pioli doesn't resign. This is the culmination of what has been the worst Chiefs season in history. There has been a murder committed by a player and suicide committed at Arrowhead. To move on, there must be a fresh start. There is no other way.

Multiple reasons, to show you have organizational capabilities to be an NFL employee for the next employer.

To give continuity to the men you have directed for the last several years.

To complete your obligation.

To show stability to a town that has afforded you gainful employment.

I'm obviously not a fan of Crennel or Pioli as far as their jobs go, but man, I feel bad for them right now.

I've witnessed one death, it was a random motorcycle accident and even that affected me pretty hard. But a suicide? That's just a whole new level.

This is spooky to me because last night I was looking up stuff about him on Google because I never really knew much about where he came from.

Sad, sad day in KC. :(

For the players, I worry more about injury if they find themselves not going 100 percent because their hearts and emotions are not into the game.

As for the atmosphere, I expect an even more empty Arrowhead.

It's going to be an emotional game, that's for certain. It'll be interesting to see.

I think fans are gonna show up en masse to support the players.

I've typed out four different long responses to how I feel about all of this, and decided it just wasn't worth it.

I'll just say that I have exactly zero time or patience for someone that chooses to murder then take their own life.

I agree

For some reason I had thought Belcher was a local KC guy. I don't know why I thought that, but I had no idea he went to Maine and was born in Long Island, NY.

This is precisely my feeling.

This could be, but it's just such a strange, unsettling situation that I could see many not wanting to be there.

Probably because he was undrafted.

Statement from Kansas City Chiefs Chairman & CEO Clark Hunt

Posted 9 minutes ago

PR Staff Kansas City Chiefs Public Relations Official Press Release Email @ChiefsPR

"The entire Chiefs family is deeply saddened by today's events, and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy, thoughts and prayers for the families and friends affected by this unthinkable tragedy. We sincerely appreciate the expressions of sympathy and support we have received from so many in the Kansas City and NFL communities, and ask for continued prayers for the loved ones of those impacted."

We will continue to fully cooperate with the authorities and work to ensure that the appropriate counseling resources are available to all members of the organization.”

--CHIEFS--

Well, football is what the town is.

Just reading stuff online, people are gonna want to be there to support the players.

Just my gut feeling.

Statement from Kansas City Chiefs Chairman & CEO Clark Hunt

Posted 9 minutes ago

PR Staff Kansas City Chiefs Public Relations Official Press Release Email @ChiefsPR

"The entire Chiefs family is deeply saddened by today's events, and our collective hearts are heavy with sympathy, thoughts and prayers for the families and friends affected by this unthinkable tragedy. We sincerely appreciate the expressions of sympathy and support we have received from so many in the Kansas City and NFL communities, and ask for continued prayers for the loved ones of those impacted."

We will continue to fully cooperate with the authorities and work to ensure that the appropriate counseling resources are available to all members of the organization.”

--CHIEFS--

Who is this Denise chick everyone keeps talking about?

I can't decide if I'm going or not.

I think I may show up to the game in support of the team, but I don't think I'm going to tailgate. The atmosphere will be awful.

What reason is there for enjoying ourselves tomorrow?

I don't know what to expect. I could see more people showing up for support... but I could also be empty because this is going to be like a funeral. Certainly not entertainment, which is what the NFL is supposed to be. Which is why this is stupid.

Plus our coaching staff isn't going to have their head in the game at all, I'd imagine. That can't be good. Maybe I'm not giving them enough credit. Or guys like DJ and Hali who are going to spend the whole game thinking about this when Belcher isn't there communicating with them during the game.