These are correctable. We'll see. Im gona trust this regime until it completely sucks

He had a great SS and a solid FS behind him. I don't remember the exact stats, but I know their FS gave up some of the least TD's allowed.

look how far off the line he is though

Where did you get that stat?
And I'm not going to argue that that is not terrible, but I'm curious as to how large that number of attempts against actually is.

You all are only fueling Clay's fire

cbs sports (I can't post links yet)

i ****ing love chiefs planet

This.

Dude has his mind made up and will search out material to support it. Although it is unobjective and self serving....

What's that, Sean Smith gave up a TD? With the game on the line?

http://i.imgur.com/RKv5x9g.gif

According to Adam Beasley (on Twitter), the Dolphins did not even offer Smith a contract.

Once again, real off the LOS. Lets just see what he looks like here before shitting on him. Plus he was pretty cheap

I'm sorry dude but that stat is useless.

What is the gap between him and the top 20? Since he and Carr were only 10 ypg different. You can't take into acount how long his D was on the field. How many defensive snaps he played. We already know his # of targets was very high.

The much more telling # is YPA.
Would you please to put your argument to bed and prove me wrong by posting the yardage rankings list.

LMAO This is hilarious.

It was 4th down and the game was over if it was incomplete. Why would they play him up on the receiver?

get used to it...

http://i.imgur.com/hBTs3Q6.jpg

You guys will find any signing to bitch at

It is, eh?

Do you see a lot of green rankings at the bottom of this list?

All the shitty players...are at the bottom...with Sean Smith!

http://i.imgur.com/83iMs0P.jpg

You know I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. Post that list.

This is the ONLY signing I'm bitching at because to be honest Sean and Fasano(very solid TE) are the only players we've signed I can really give my true opinion on.

I'm not bitching about Devito because I never saw him play, not bitching about Dunta because I didn't watch him play etc.

I'm only bitching at this signing, because I know the type of player he is.

I'm going to cheer for him just as much as anybody else, but I'm not going to look at this as a solid signing until he can prove he's better than he was in Miami.

Even against an AZ QB !!! Does he have Eric Warfield written all over him???

There's no YPA list.

I'm not defending the guy because I don't know shit about him, but c'mon, man.

In those two gifs he's in man coverage and sees double and triple moves. Every CB will get beat by those from time to time.

EDIT: Well, just two double moves, I guess. Point still stands though.

Clay's forming an Anti-Sean Smith posse look out planet

YPA is useless dude...it doesn't take into account drops or QB overthrows...

YPC is a much better indicator.

So it was just coincidence he was the worst CB in football in 2011 and gives up 730+ yards every single ****ing season.

Got it!

This thread has me tired

Great. figures I can't see the list on my phone. But if you posted it and Smith shares company with the dreggs then I'm wrong. Sorry.
Can someone tell me how many ypg the #20 guy gave up?

I'm talking about the yardage given up list. Did I say ypa? Sorry if so.

I'm also sure that GoChiefs could find some gifs of Flowers that would have us all believing he was a pile of shit. When he goes on his crusades he's relentless.

Sean Smith literally gave up a catch on every pass thrown against him in this game...JFC.

http://i.imgur.com/rZZMgo4.jpg

Why do you think I'm going on this crusade?

Is it because Sean Smith sucks?

Do I generally go on crusades against good players?

So what you're saying is in 1068 snaps SS gave up 6 tds and got 2 interceptions? Is that correct?

Sean Smith dead last in something again? Oh noes...

http://i.imgur.com/BqZvSTO.jpg

The only ones I've ever noticed were Cassel and McCluster, but I don't ever remember you being so fervent about those until long after it was obvious they were ****ing dumpster fires.

Weren't you frothing at the mouth after the Hillis "Bane" signing? Look how that turned out. Sometimes signings look good and end up sucking, while others are the exact opposite.

I don't know much about the guy (I'd wager you don't either, outside of your Holy Grail PFF rankings and a couple gifs you just dredged up), but he's a veteran player at a position in which we're extremely thin. His signing doesn't rule out the likelihood that we'll look to draft another CB so I'll give the guy a chance in red and gold before I crucify him.

Catch percentage looks decent. Young, athletic player with CB1 experience. What's to hate? Not a huge contract.

I hated McCluster THE SECOND HE WAS PICKED.

Started slamming Cassel in 2010.

Well, he gave up more first downs than anyone in the league last year....

And he was the worst CB in football in 2011...

So that's two years of solid production.

I must have missed where people are expecting to have the best CB tandem in the league. **** off, Clay. He's a nice little experiment

So the experiment is "take a shitty player and hope?"

Worked for Carlos Rogers.

Fair enough. I really don't pay much attention.

But all stats aside, what coverage schemes did/do the Dolphins run?

What would you say are some of Smith's strengths (don't say none) and his most glaring weaknesses?

Supposedly he makes bad guesses at times.

He's tall. And fast! And now wearing RED!

GO SEAN SMITH!

LMAO

Dolphins ran a lot of Cover 1 with a Robber over top. They like their SS Reshad Jones a lot and gave him the ability to rome around, he had a very similar year to the Falcons SS, very solid.

Sean Smith is a solid player against tall, slow receivers that he can get his hands on and doesn't need fluid hips to defend. He struggles against any player that can burn right by him and good route running.

He is putrid in zone and he is better in man, but he's not great in it. The Dolphins didn't run THAT much zone as their base defense was cover 1, but they did like to run it whenever they blitzed.

Smith will cover the bigger WRs like Thomas, and others well face

Especially when you factor in that he's going to be playing cb2

That doesn't mean he won't face #1 WRs.

He's going to get roasted by Demaryius Thomas.

You silly, angry, little man.

You seem to throw a temper tantrum when a move is made that you wouldn't have done yourself. There is a reason Dorsey is a respected pro GM and you live in your mothers basement.

Who did you want?

How about a CB who wasn't ranked league-worst in 2011?

There were several of those guys in FA.

and yet the general consensus was that sean smith was a decent corner...

Son I study statistics day in and day out and they are easy as hell to manipulate to prove your point.

He isn't that bad. You're throwing a temper tantrum. Shut up and get laid.

For instance this stat:

Conveniently omitted by you (as it was directly below a post of yours earlier about SS being blasted more than anyone)


Name Snaps 1st Downs & TDs 1st Downs & TDs by Snap
Josh Norman 447 40 8.95%
Aqib Talib 343 30 8.75%
Cassius Vaughn 472 40 8.47%
Joselio Hanson 332 27 8.13%
Nolan Carroll 415 33 7.95%
Cortez Allen 340 27 7.94%
Cary Williams 578 45 7.79%
Dunta Robinson 540 42 7.78%
Buster Skrine 451 35 7.76%
Josh Robinson 451 34 7.54%
Derek Cox 399 30 7.52%
Corey Webster 574 43 7.49%
Eric Wright 310 23 7.42%
Sean Smith 624 46 7.37%
A.J. Jefferson 357 26 7.28%
Patrick Robinson 619 45 7.27%
Jimmy Wilson 346 25 7.23%
Quentin Jammer 589 42 7.13%
DeAngelo Hall 625 44 7.04%
Keenan Lewis 531 37 6.97%

Well, no it wasn't.

Post something that says he is.

I think your entire secondary is going to improve. You guys are going to spend a lot of time in the opposing qbs backfield. Pass rush improvement, will result in pass defense improvement.

Out of curiosity, what did you think of the Denver's signing of Cromartie, goche?

ESPN has him rated at 76 with the top being 79. Walterfootball says this about him: Sean Smith started off the year on a strong note, but wasn't very good in the final couple of months. Still, he's a solid starting corner who deserves a nice contract.

As a side note.
According to the stats I posted that were directly under what you posted and omitted in the area of first downs & touchdowns per snap he's better than cox who was signed by San Diego.

There was a list of the top cbs on that list, and at the very BOTTOM was a guy named janoris jenkins. I watched him play a couple times last year, the kids a stud. Some times, stats dont always tell the story.

ESPN and Walter football? LMAO

How about someone who's in the league?

OK. Never said I wanted Cox, so who cares?

No one in the NFL allowed more first downs and TDs. That's ****ing awful. And it comes a year after he was the worst CB in football. Awful.

Hard to spin that into positives.

What? How about the fact that there were 3 teams bidding for him? That proves how the "people in the league" feel about him.


Second point. Like I said. Td's and first downs to snaps is the better measure. It is not punishing him for playing more or rewarding others for playing not as much. That being said, he's not even close to the top in that aspect.

There were also 3 teams bidding for Cassel, so.....

If one of your requirements is not met regarding Alex Cassel in your sig does that mean if we make a wager I win the bet? Because I will gladly put 100 bucks down. PM me

ROFL

32 teams would have taken JaMarcus Russell with their 1st round pick.

There's just precious little data out there that says Sean Smith is any good, other than "former second round pick, height-weight-speed."

Those players are always going to find a new team in FA. It doesn't make them any good.

Shit, Dunta Robinson got huge money from Atlanta, and he sucked.

And he went with the blockbuster one year, $4 million deal.

Shit, there were like 3 teams bidding for Cassel in 2009.

Considering his age and the season he just had, I'd say he did pretty well for himself.

Okay.

Just saw this. LMAO

Basically the #1 thing Miami fans say about him is that he is a big pussy.

Can't WAIT to bump posts in 8 months.

Clay, so what you are telling me is we have Alex Cassel and Stanford Smith?

Who were the other two teams? I remember hearing something about Tampa Bay, but were they really bidding?

To be honest, I don't think it matters what deal he took. He's been payed pretty well over the last 4 years.

I think this is pure garbage.

Dunta Robinson isn't even playing nickel here.

Sean Smith gets TOASTED by guys like Demaryius Thomas + Peyton Manning.

We'll be lucky to hold the Broncos under 30 this year if Sean Smith is a starting CB.

Bookmark this post.

Basically, yeah.

Alex Smith fan get your ass in here and accept my wager. You think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread then man up.

Sean Smith is a really solid #2 CB. There were some bigger name FA CBs that are a several years older and on their way down.

I'm glad to have Smith, instead of DRC, or the other, going on their third or fourth team, CBs.

I provided outside evidence and you wanted more. Next I provided what you asked and that was inside evidence. If you're asking me about the opinions of 32 teams general managers opinions of SS then I am afraid I can't do that.

what is your wager

How many millions will Smith and Robinson get?

Like 35 million combined?

He's a solid pick-up. A 25 year old CB, who will be our number two and he's already shown he can play in the league and delivered in some games. He should be ascending as a player and make a positive contribution. I'm glad he's here. We could be trotting out Bartee, cheer up.

Around 15 million in guaranteed money combined.

Shoot. Was hoping Alex had a brother

Find me like a scouting report or something that says "Sean Smith is good at X and X and did this good thing in his career."

You can't.